Jeep CJ7 vs Land Rover II/III/Defender

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Jeep CJ7 vs Land Rover II/III/Defender

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Saya tahu kedua mobil ini tidak apple-to-apple. Tapi saya ingin minta pendapat rekan-rekan sekalian.

Saya kepikiran nyari mobil hobi 4x4 yang masih klasik/tradisional. Mobil yang mesinnya cukup powerful dan (hypothetically) indestructible, dan bisa dipakai ke mana saja, ke war zone sekalipun. Syukur bisa sekalian bisa DIY sendiri jadi nggak terlalu merepotkan dan bisa diandalkan.

Di antara keduanya, bagaimana handling, kenyamanan, reliability, kemudahan/ketersediaan parts and maintenance, sampai biaya perawatan atau restorasinya?

Terima kasih sebelumnya.
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Kalau yang bisa dibawa ke warzone sih malah kepikiran tlc atau g class om saya, btw kalau saya sih lebih sering lihat defender yang dipakai offroad daripada cj
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CJ7 itu cocok buat jalan-jalan sore ke mall atau keliling pinggir kota dengan permukaan jalan (paling jelek) gravel.
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kalo mau pake tlc80 series tapi ......complete bodyshell pake landy 3 series lwb

bgitu juga cj kalo mau xtra space pake sj tlc80 series tapi complete bodyshell pake cj6

tar kalo bosan ya pasang lg complete bodyshell tlc80 series
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Ini dia, ide out of the box dari om nr.
Jadi cari tlc80 dlu buat dipinjem chasis sama enginenya
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ryaas rasjid pernah bikin bgitu tuh di bengkel nya koh athiam di kemayoran (skitar thn 2002)

atas nya landy 3 series tapi isi sampe kolong itu tlc 80series

athiam di suruh bikin body landy apapun bisa asal wang nya cocok

bisa juga beli sssssssssssssangyong musssso tapi atas nya ganti yg lain n kalo mau pake korando tapi body di pasangin cj7
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Bantu jawab om.

Saya ada landy serie III. Ex AL. Untuk kenyaman sih ya kalo bandingin sama SUV sekarang ya jelas beda. Tapi untuk kenyamanan dengan 4x4 jadul lain bisa di bilang paling nyaman apalagi defender yg udah full per keong.
Untuk spare part asal ikut club ada ada aja om. Entah part baru atau copotan. Kalo part baru saya di bandung langganan di sukses motor jalan banceuy.
Untuk di bawa offroad (cikole-sukawa) daerah bandung sih enak om. Bisa bawa keluarga juga. Ga perlu banyak modif. Udah bisa main lumpur. Kalo mau enak si pake ban simex aja.
Konsumsi bbm termasuk irit untuk body sebesar itu 1:7 an tapi di pake di aspal boyot. Tapi bukan habitatnya sih.

Kalo mau hunting sih yg perlu di perhatikan sasis. Sasisnya banyak yg udah karat. Soalnya sasisny tipis tapi dimensinya besar.

Itu aja om pengalaman pake tu panci inggris.
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Jadi penasaran, disurat2 kendaraan kan ada identitas mesin dan rangka,
misal ikut saran om NR, mesin and rangka tlc, dipasangin body landie,
jadi di STNK kolom Merk diisi apa ?
Toyota (sesuai mesin), atau Landie (sesuai Body) ?
Misal ikut mesin, di STNK tertulis Toyota, ketemu polantas yang kenal sama Landie,
bakal di jadiin "temuan" gak.. ?
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gue pribadi pilih Landy seri apapun walaupun naikannya mungkin ga seenak CJ, buat maintenance, spare part sama restorasi mah tergantung duit dikantong, selama ada dan cukup pasti aman.

tapi landy atau cj dalam keadaan factory stock seperti kata om NR pasti bikin leher gue melintir :emo-big_love:
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IGedeAmat wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:16 Jadi penasaran, disurat2 kendaraan kan ada identitas mesin dan rangka,
misal ikut saran om NR, mesin and rangka tlc, dipasangin body landie,
jadi di STNK kolom Merk diisi apa ?
Toyota (sesuai mesin), atau Landie (sesuai Body) ?
Misal ikut mesin, di STNK tertulis Toyota, ketemu polantas yang kenal sama Landie,
bakal di jadiin "temuan" gak.. ?
pastikan bengkel nya bengkel body mobil yg punya taxpayer number n ada form nya di polisi u di isi

dulu vw beetle alm ayah di pasang body fiberglass 911 (bawa dr amriki tapi sy tdk tau brand apa tapi di bbrp corner ada tulisan csw-s made in canada)

di stnk tertulis 'vw-modifikasi' di bpkb ada tulisan di halaman 4 'ganti body" (kalo salah salah dikit maaf ya mobil dah lama dijual) ...... dulu pasang body di hartawan motor mangga besar (jaman hauwke masih miskin ..... miskin nya dia ya) ...... sblm dia pindah ke jln margasatwa 45 n abis itu di beli triwa

selama lbh dr 15 thn pake sy bbrp puluh x kena stop polisi (jln proklamasi kalo malem / sblm subuh sering ada checkpoints dulu) n blm pernah kena tilang / dimintain wang sogok
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newrubble wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:20
pastikan bengkel nya bengkel body mobil yg punya taxpayer number n ada form nya di polisi u di isi

dulu vw beetle alm ayah di pasang body fiberglass 911 (bawa dr amriki tapi sy tdk tau brand apa tapi di bbrp corner ada tulisan csw-s made in canada)

di stnk tertulis 'vw-modifikasi' di bpkb ada tulisan di halaman 4 'ganti body" (kalo salah salah dikit maaf ya mobil dah lama dijual) ...... dulu pasang body di hartawan motor mangga besar (jaman hauwke masih miskin ..... miskin nya dia ya) ...... sblm dia pindah ke jln margasatwa 45 n abis itu di beli triwa

selama lbh dr 15 thn pake sy bbrp puluh x kena stop polisi (jln proklamasi kalo malem / sblm subuh sering ada checkpoints dulu) n blm pernah kena tilang / dimintain wang sogok
Apakah tiap bengkel mobil asal punya NPWP boleh melakukan modifikasi engine swap / body swap Om ?
atau selain NPWP juga harus punya ijin / license resmi lain untuk melakukan engine / body swap ?

Sorry oom TS, jadi OOT di threadnya...
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Tu di cikole lembang banyak defender mutant
Ntah surat suratnya gimana...
Kalo pagi/malem suka ketemu di Cihanjuang pulang kandang...
Dari suara engine ane yakin bukan Landy lagi tu mesin na
always believe something wonderful about to happen.......
oh my.....
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IGedeAmat wrote:Jadi penasaran, disurat2 kendaraan kan ada identitas mesin dan rangka,
misal ikut saran om NR, mesin and rangka tlc, dipasangin body landie,
jadi di STNK kolom Merk diisi apa ?
Toyota (sesuai mesin), atau Landie (sesuai Body) ?
Misal ikut mesin, di STNK tertulis Toyota, ketemu polantas yang kenal sama Landie,
bakal di jadiin "temuan" gak.. ?
Kalo cara nakal cukup make stnk landie, karena yg terlihat secara mata jelas jelas itu memang landie.
Yg penting engine dan rangka tetep disimpen buat digesek 5 tahun sekali.
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cari sj bengkel yg anggota abba (assoc.bengkel body automotive) mrk ahli urusan surat keterangan yg bginian
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denger2 landy series dan defender itu keras bantingannya

jadi FJ40 atau LC80 aja kalau budget cukup. tp hari gini beli LC80 bisa dapet VX100 atau VX105 (rigid)
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newrubble wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 16:23 kalo mau pake tlc80 series tapi ......complete bodyshell pake landy 3 series lwb

bgitu juga cj kalo mau xtra space pake sj tlc80 series tapi complete bodyshell pake cj6

tar kalo bosan ya pasang lg complete bodyshell tlc80 series
Ini ide yang sangat intriguing. Tadinya saya cuma kepikiran ambil CJ7 dengan swap engine ke Cherokee dan gardan FJ40.
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imanoff wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:26
newrubble wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 16:23 kalo mau pake tlc80 series tapi ......complete bodyshell pake landy 3 series lwb

bgitu juga cj kalo mau xtra space pake sj tlc80 series tapi complete bodyshell pake cj6

tar kalo bosan ya pasang lg complete bodyshell tlc80 series
Ini ide yang sangat intriguing. Tadinya saya cuma kepikiran ambil CJ7 dengan swap engine ke Cherokee dan gardan FJ40.
Saya sih mikirnya, kalau pilihannya itu maka jatuh ke Defender. Harga nahan terus gak turun2..

Kalau mau agak murah dan bandel, beli Taft Kebo (generasi taft sebelum GT), 4x4 diesel, masih pakai timing gear.
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dai f50 and f70 were basically tyt blizzard v.v. kalo jalan ke kampung kampung di londo masih suka nemu yg roadwrorthy .... tdk byk ..... ada 1 atau 2 tapi masih jadi workhorse meski kalo winter bgini ya pd ngumpet smua krn rata rata soft top
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imanoff wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:26
newrubble wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2018 16:23 kalo mau pake tlc80 series tapi ......complete bodyshell pake landy 3 series lwb

bgitu juga cj kalo mau xtra space pake sj tlc80 series tapi complete bodyshell pake cj6
Ini ide yang sangat intriguing. Tadinya saya cuma kepikiran ambil CJ7 dengan swap engine ke Cherokee dan gardan FJ40.
nyubi ikutan rembug
kalo om suka Jeep klasik tetapi pengen 4x4xFar, ide om nr itu keren dan bisa dilakukan
naik cj6 atau cj8 long di jalanan akan bikin orang turn head, even silop sekalipun

kalo om suka Land Rover klasik, ambil bodi seri 2 lampu juling, pengen 4x4xFar, lainnya pake tlc 80

kalo hanya adventure sampe light offroad, cherokee standar, lift ganjal, pake winch, udah cukup
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