Nissan CVTF NS2 vs NS3

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Nissan CVTF NS2 vs NS3

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Salam buat suhu" SM. bantuin dong newbie mau ganti CVTF x trail T31 yang di manual book sama dipstick tulisannya NS2 tapi sekarang di beres nissan adanya NS3. Aman gak ya suhu" SM sekalian? Yang ngerti mesin atau malah yang udah pengalaman mobilnya NS2 diisi NS3 bisa share disini.

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Re: Nissan CVTF NS2 vs NS3

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Klo kata mekanik langganan ane sih gpp, yg masalah klo spec ns3 dikasih ns2, itupun ga major, tp jgn tanya ane teknisnya ya, pernah dijelasin ama tuh mekanik cuman ga gitu paham, yg penting gpp ajah. ane malah beli cvtf merek umum yg compatible ns2/ns3...hehehe.
btw ts kayaknya agak parno ama transmisi cvt t31 nya ya
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Harchi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:53 Klo kata mekanik langganan ane sih gpp, yg masalah klo spec ns3 dikasih ns2, itupun ga major, tp jgn tanya ane teknisnya ya, pernah dijelasin ama tuh mekanik cuman ga gitu paham, yg penting gpp ajah. ane malah beli cvtf merek umum yg compatible ns2/ns3...hehehe.
btw ts kayaknya agak parno ama transmisi cvt t31 nya ya
iya bro soalnya kan nissan udah terkenal sama jargonnya. ga usah ganti oli cvt nanti langsung ganti transmisi CVT nya wakkakaka. soalnya rusak.
ini punya saya masih ga kenapa" masih enak makannya kan sayang kalau rusak gara" salah oli dan gara" bengkel resmi wkwkkw
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Cvt Nissan buatan Jatko, karena saya blm pernah kuras oli matic CVT selama 44 bulan pake ANGL dgn odo baru 43xxx jadi play save pake oli CVT Nissan NS 3 saja saat nanti ganti di Beresnya.
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Herman7103 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:22 Cvt Nissan buatan Jatko, karena saya blm pernah kuras oli matic CVT selama 44 bulan pake ANGL dgn odo baru 43xxx jadi play save pake oli CVT Nissan NS 3 saja saat nanti ganti di Beresnya.
Bro di manual book ANGL mu NS2 atau NS3?
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Jenis Oli Transmisi Otomatis Nissan, Nih Lima yang Penting
Kamis, 26 Maret 2015 | 10:07 WIB
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Jakarta - Oli transmisi otomatis sering membuat pemilik kendaraan bingung menentukan pilihan mana yang cocok. Terlebih jika pabrikan mengeluarkan banyak versi ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) seperti Nissan. Cara paling gampang tentunya membawa kendaraan ke bengkel resmi, karena pastinya sangat tahu ATF mana yang sesuai pada setiap kendaraan Nissan.
Setidaknya ada 7 tipe oli transmisi otomatis keluaran Nissan. Termasuk 2 jenis oli transmisi CVT (Continously Variable Transmission). Tetapi yang beredar di Indonesia hanya 5 tipe ATF. Yuk simak bahasannya satu per satu. •
(otomotifnet.com)
Matic D
Oli ini merupakan oli yang pertama dari seluruh line-up ATF Nissan. Tipe D terbuat dari bahan minyak bumi kategori ashless yang diformulasikan untuk ATF dengan kadar zinc rendah. Abu atau ash di dalam ATF dapat menyebabkan perubahan respon friksi.
Sedangkan zinc dapat melekat pada garis-garis kopling yang akan menyebabkan kopling slip dan rusak. Matic D mempunyai persamaan dengan Dexron III. “Serupa tapi tidak sama. Bisa dipakai tapi tidak sesempurna Matic D,” ujar Arifin dari Warung Oli Pasar Mobil Kemayoran, Jakpus.
Matic J
Seiring perkembangan teknologi, tentunya ATF juga berkembang. Tipe J dibuat khusus untuk kendaraan Nissan tertentu. Seperti Fairlady 350Z, Infinity G35 dan lain-lain. Nissan mengambil langkah pengamanan agar pemilik kendaraan tidak sembarangan mengganti ATF sendiri, tanpa membaca buku manual ataupun konsultasi dengan bengkel resmi.
Contohnya pada Fairlady 350Z, lubang dipstick ATF ditutup dengan baut, sedangkan pada Infiniti G35 tidak ditemukan adanya dipstick sama sekali. Namun sekarang ini untuk penggunaan oli transmisi otomatis, Matic J sudah digantikan dengan Matic S. Akan tetapi Matic J tetap digunakan untuk bagian transfer case.
Matic S
Seperti yang sudah disinggung sebelumnya. Jika membeli ATF Matic J dari bengkel resmi Nissan atau Infiniti, dan akan diberikan Matic S. Jangan khawatir, pihak bengkel tidak salah memberikan oli. “Sangat aman untuk menggunakan Matic S pada transmisi otomatis yang membutuhkan Matic J,” terang Hendrawan, Kepala Bengkel Nissan Puri Indah, Jakbar.
Namun jika untuk bagian transfer case, sebaiknya lihat buku manual terlebih dahulu. Oh iya ATF Matic S harus digunakan pada kendaraan Nissan dengan girbok otomatis 7 percepatan.
Matic K
Jenis ATF ini sangat spesifik dan baru dikeluarkan pada tahun 2004. Sampai saat ini belum ada oli aftermarket yang sesuai dengan spesifikasi Matic K. Dengan kata lain, jangan sekali-kali mengganti dengan ATF S ataupun merek pabrikan oli lainnya. Pasti transmisi otomatis akan rusak dengan cepat jika salah spesifikasi.
Matic W
Oli spesial ini hanya diperuntukan buat Nissan Altima Hybrid yang sudah mengadopsi eCVT, tentunya tidak dijual di Indonesia. Matic W tidak boleh terkontaminasi dengan embun jadi harus tertutup rapat dengan wadah ber-seal seperti minyak rem.
CVT Fluid NS-2 dan NS-3
Tentunya ATF ini juga tergolong spesial. Salah menggunakan ATF, dijamin kendaraan tidak bisa dijalankan walaupun hanya keliling komplek rumah. Alhasil harus mengganti girboks ataupun overhaul jika terjadi. .
Khusus untuk NS-2 dan NS-3 tidak dapat dibeli di toko-toko spare parts atau toko penjual oli, hanya tersedia di bengkel resmi dikarenakan harus melewati prosedur CVTF deterioration date yang membutuhkan Nissan Consult (semacam engine diagnostic tool).
“Nominal pada deterioration date jika menunjukan angka 210000 atau lebih, maka harus dilakukan penggantian oli CVT. Setelah itu angka tersebut di-reset kembali ke angka 0. Angka ini bukan menunjukan jarak tempuh ataupun engine hour. Namun pengkalkulasian dari software yang juga turut memperhitungkan cara berkendara,” ujar Hendrawan.
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Teana J31
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Matic J atau S March K13
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Re: Nissan CVTF NS2 vs NS3

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Xtremer wrote:
Herman7103 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:22 Cvt Nissan buatan Jatko, karena saya blm pernah kuras oli matic CVT selama 44 bulan pake ANGL dgn odo baru 43xxx jadi play save pake oli CVT Nissan NS 3 saja saat nanti ganti di Beresnya.
Bro di manual book ANGL mu NS2 atau NS3?
ANGL NS 3.
Sama anu... Kalau mau lebih mantap lg. Sekalian ganti filter CVTF kalo mau hehehe.

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arfs wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:42
Xtremer wrote:
Herman7103 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:22 Cvt Nissan buatan Jatko, karena saya blm pernah kuras oli matic CVT selama 44 bulan pake ANGL dgn odo baru 43xxx jadi play save pake oli CVT Nissan NS 3 saja saat nanti ganti di Beresnya.
Bro di manual book ANGL mu NS2 atau NS3?
ANGL NS 3.
Sama anu... Kalau mau lebih mantap lg. Sekalian ganti filter CVTF kalo mau hehehe.

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NS2 diisi NS3 gpp bro? beres bilangnya gpp wkwkwkkw. itu btw saringan ngaruh banget kah bro?
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arfs wrote:
Xtremer wrote:
Herman7103 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:22 Cvt Nissan buatan Jatko, karena saya blm pernah kuras oli matic CVT selama 44 bulan pake ANGL dgn odo baru 43xxx jadi play save pake oli CVT Nissan NS 3 saja saat nanti ganti di Beresnya.
Bro di manual book ANGL mu NS2 atau NS3?
ANGL NS 3.
Sama anu... Kalau mau lebih mantap lg. Sekalian ganti filter CVTF kalo mau hehehe.

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Thanks atas infonya , nanti saat saya ganti oli CVT nya di beres akan saya check dulu apakah actual condition pan di mobil nya dulu apa perlu diganti atau ngak, tapi kalau internal filters yes should be replace with new ones. Di beres tempat saya service enak, bisa ikut ngeliat langsung mobil kita saat mulai diservis dan hanya yg sdh hrs ganti saja yg saya approved utk diganti setelah liat fisiknya langsung [emoji1]
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Herman7103 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:35
arfs wrote:
Xtremer wrote:
Bro di manual book ANGL mu NS2 atau NS3?
ANGL NS 3.
Sama anu... Kalau mau lebih mantap lg. Sekalian ganti filter CVTF kalo mau hehehe.

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Thanks atas infonya , nanti saat saya ganti oli CVT nya di beres akan saya check dulu apakah actual condition pan di mobil nya dulu apa perlu diganti atau ngak, tapi kalau internal filters yes should be replace with new ones. Di beres tempat saya service enak, bisa ikut ngeliat langsung mobil kita saat mulai diservis dan hanya yg sdh hrs ganti saja yg saya approved utk diganti setelah liat fisiknya langsung [emoji1]
bro itu untuk penggantian filter cvt barusan saya tanya orang beres via whatsapp katanya gak ada ganti" filter kecuali rusak. wah gmn ini yg bener ya? kalau logikanya kan harusnya kayak filter oli mesin ya. filter nyaring oli yg kotor otomatis filternya juga kotor. masa ga diganti ya?
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Berikut saya informasi dari forum Nissan club
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CVT Transmission Issues. (Fail safe, Whining, Temps, & FIX!)
Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:11 pm
I'm gonna start off saying that I work at a Nissan dealership and I'm gonna explain what I see on a daily basis and I will give you input from a dealer perspective. Fail safe happens when the transmission overheats. That's what it's designed to do. Cvt fluid level is a huge factor. I don't know if this has been covered but there is a special way to check the fluid. We use consult 3 and monitor a temp count. After the temp count is where it should be the fluid is set. The fluid is not set at the full mark though. If its set there it's overfull and will cause it to whine and go into fail safe. Usually when it whines it's because the fluid is aerated. The fluid is usually set in the middle of the crosshatch marks to 3/4 depending on fluid temp. This is why we see so many people with transmissions that are over full. Coolant protection is also a factor. There are tools out there to check freeze protection. Nissan recommends -34 degrees for proper cooling of the transmission. I seen some overheat at -48 degrees. I live in Colorado so it usually doesn't get that hot. The hotter the climate the easier the transmission will overheat if the coolant protection isn't set right. If your doing it yourself try to mix the coolant and water to -25 degrees. That would be more ideal. Seems to cool a lot better. And so everyone knows This is for all cvt equipped nissans. Rogues aren't the only one with these issues. Altimas and sentras have the same issues. Now if anyone has been in a front end collision And the radiator replaced make sure it's a Nissan radiator. Here is an example. Customer came in had the transmission replaced 30k miles ago. Transmission kept going into fail safe and whining. Level was good on the transmission but coolant protection was off. Set freeze protection where it should be and took on a long test drive. Same issue. Found out that it was in a front end collision 6 months earlier and a aftermarket radiator installed. Aftermarket radiators don't cool as well as oem ones. We replaced with a Nissan radiator and problem never came back. Now I have a 2005 Nissan altima. You better believe if my radiator cracks I will probably replace it with a aftermarket radiator because I don't have a cvt transmission. These transmission are so sensitive to heat its crazy. Now there are always times that it may need a transmission and if that's the case then it will be replaced. Usually when this happens a check engine light comes on or there are some codes stored In the ECM.
Now I want to talk about aftermarket fluids. Don't use them. There are some fluids out there that are suppose to be compatible but I wouldn't trust it. Talking to some of the engineers I have talk to said these aftermarket fluids Dont have the same qualitys and will cause the transmissions to overheat and or damage it. Plus at my dealership if you have different fluid and a transmssin concern you can kiss that warranty goodbye. Now I know people think that most dealerships think of ways to get out of warranty repairs. Well that's not all true. There are def some out there though. I get paid for warranty work. If I could replace a transmission daily under warranty I would. Thats how we get paid. Now nissans calls these things back to inspect to see what has failed. . If you cover something under warranty and Nissan calls it back then it had better have some sort of failure. If nissans finds out that it not they kindly send it back to us and charge us for the repair. It's really [cencored] sometimes even when it's Nissan fault. I see a lot of chrome pieces have tiny rust spots on them on a lot of armadas and pathfinders and Nissan won't warranty it. Nissan has charge the dealership I work for numerous times stating that it's not a defect when it clearly is. What I'm trying to say is that not all dealerships are trying to get out of warranty work. We do however have to protect ourselves so we don't get charged back for repairs. I hope the people on these boards can find trustworthy dealerships. From hearing some the of the stories on here it's no wonder why dealerships have bad names. In the meantime if anyone has questions own anything feel free to message me anytime.
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Re: Nissan CVTF NS2 vs NS3

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Xtremer wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:58
Harchi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:53 Klo kata mekanik langganan ane sih gpp, yg masalah klo spec ns3 dikasih ns2, itupun ga major, tp jgn tanya ane teknisnya ya, pernah dijelasin ama tuh mekanik cuman ga gitu paham, yg penting gpp ajah. ane malah beli cvtf merek umum yg compatible ns2/ns3...hehehe.
btw ts kayaknya agak parno ama transmisi cvt t31 nya ya
iya bro soalnya kan nissan udah terkenal sama jargonnya. ga usah ganti oli cvt nanti langsung ganti transmisi CVT nya wakkakaka. soalnya rusak.
ini punya saya masih ga kenapa" masih enak makannya kan sayang kalau rusak gara" salah oli dan gara" bengkel resmi wkwkkw
Dibawa santai aja bro dinikmatin mobilnya, sayang mobil enak ntar jd berasa ga enak gegara was2 trus. T31 xtremer kan? Klo iya sesama pengguna kita.
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Setuju sama atas saya.. as long perawatan cvt sudah megikuti saran terpercaya dari forum dalam dan luar negri, pasti aman kok..

(Saran dari beres ngaco sih hahaha jadi bikin was-was pemakai)

As long kita ga terlalu abuse cvt-nya, pasti aman kok.. cvt pemakaiannya halus dan nyaman soalnya..

Btw, katanya biar cvt nissan ga gampang masuk ke safe/limp mode, harus pakai cvt cooler kit ya? Saya tertarik nih dengan perangkat ini.. di group T31 sama T32 beberapa sudah pakai dan ga pernah masuk ke safe mode lagi cvtnya.. bener ga ya? Ada yg pernah coba?
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PRBS wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:54 Setuju sama atas saya.. as long perawatan cvt sudah megikuti saran terpercaya dari forum dalam dan luar negri, pasti aman kok..

(Saran dari beres ngaco sih hahaha jadi bikin was-was pemakai)

As long kita ga terlalu abuse cvt-nya, pasti aman kok.. cvt pemakaiannya halus dan nyaman soalnya..

Btw, katanya biar cvt nissan ga gampang masuk ke safe/limp mode, harus pakai cvt cooler kit ya? Saya tertarik nih dengan perangkat ini.. di group T31 sama T32 beberapa sudah pakai dan ga pernah masuk ke safe mode lagi cvtnya.. bener ga ya? Ada yg pernah coba?
Nah iya saya juga udah denger itu cooler kit bro. Udah janjian sama montir langganan katanya coba flush aja dulu soalnya kotor. Nanti kalau abis kuras masih masuk safe mode baru pasang cooler kit tambahan. Bahaya bro klo masuk safe mode di jalan pegunungan. Ga bisa naek hahaha