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om untuk fortuner vrz 2017 gak ada deepstick matic ya ?

Terus pegimane ngisi oli pas nguras manual kayak yg dipage 1 ?
Soal kalo ngisinya pake pompa manual (pompa buat oli gardan) bisa kalah cepet sama oli yg kebuang dari sirkulasi oli atf.

Sekalian tanya om,..............lebih baik mana :
1. oli TIV dipake ke matic yg seharusnya WS dengan
2. oli TIV dipake di matic yg seharusnya DIII/DII
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Om turbo dan om om sekalian, maaf agak oot dikit

Rencana mau ganti filter matic, nanya ke beres filter matic harganya 1,2 dan nanya ke toko spare part filter matic merk transp**d 200 rb. Mending pakai yang mana ya om, mengingat harganya jaub banget bedanya.

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mamat wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:13 Om turbo dan om om sekalian, maaf agak oot dikit

Rencana mau ganti filter matic, nanya ke beres filter matic harganya 1,2 dan nanya ke toko spare part filter matic merk transp**d 200 rb. Mending pakai yang mana ya om, mengingat harganya jaub banget bedanya.

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11-12 koq transpeed sama oem nya.
Kebetulan ud pernah ganti filter bawah CVTF (strainer) nya buat grand livina cvt pake merk transpeed..
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Agak OOT karena ini buat kuras oli mesin, ini info didapat dari supir angkot M19, mobilnya udah 9 tahun ga pernah turun mesin pak supir sendiri yang rawat, mobilnya panther

Teknik kuras oli mesin:
1) buang/ drain oli mesin dan tutup lg draun plug
2) isi pakai solar lebihkan 1 liter (cerita si pak supir oli panther 4 liter isi solarnya 5 liter) tunggu 10-15menit, dan kuras
3) ulangi lg langkah 2
4) tuang oli mesin 2liter buat mendorong sisa solar
5) ganti filter oli n isi oli mesin yg seharusnya

Kata si bapak waktu solar dibuang sludge oli kebawa keluar

Catatan: Do at your own risk yaa, saya cuma sharing, tertarik karena mesin panthernya halis dan blm pernah turun mesin selama 9tahun dan juga kadang ganti oli suka telat
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arfs wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 7:47
11-12 koq transpeed sama oem nya.
Kebetulan ud pernah ganti filter bawah CVTF (strainer) nya buat grand livina cvt pake merk transpeed..
Baik om, terima kasih infonya.
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mamat wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 17:52 Baik om, terima kasih infonya.
Jangan lupa beli juga gasket/packing ATF oil pan nya om kalo mau ganti filter (strainer) ATF nya...
Biar gk rembes...
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arfs wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 14:34
mamat wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 17:52 Baik om, terima kasih infonya.
Jangan lupa beli juga gasket/packing ATF oil pan nya om kalo mau ganti filter (strainer) ATF nya...
Biar gk rembes...
Siap om, ini malahan sekalian over houl matic nya [emo-yesno]
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Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
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Sitompul wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:14 Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
rule of thumb, kalau kuras matic ya sekalian ganti filter maticnya...(kalo ada)..
supaya gram gram yang nempel di filter itu ikut keluar sehingga tak mengotori oli baru.

maaf, just my sotoy opinion.
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Sitompul wrote:Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
di atas 100.000 km

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Turboman wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:53
Sitompul wrote:Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
di atas 100.000 km
Om, kl waktu liat gambar skema part transmisi matic itu filter matic/stainer letaknya di deket apa? Penasaran, tapi bingung juga wkt ubek2 di eparts nya suzuki banyak banget bagian2nya di transmisi. Sapa tau nanti pas servis lagi jg rencana kuras atf, jg mau ganti filternya
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erwinign wrote:
Turboman wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:53
Sitompul wrote:Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
di atas 100.000 km
Om, kl waktu liat gambar skema part transmisi matic itu filter matic/stainer letaknya di deket apa? Penasaran, tapi bingung juga wkt ubek2 di eparts nya suzuki banyak banget bagian2nya di transmisi. Sapa tau nanti pas servis lagi jg rencana kuras atf, jg mau ganti filternya
biasa di bagian dalam

jadi harus buka oil pan

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Turboman wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:53
Sitompul wrote:Siang para suhu semua. Selama ini pakai mobil matic ga pernah tau harus ganti filter atf/ stainernya. Kalo boleh tau ganti filter matic itu per brp km ya?
di atas 100.000 km
serius nanya;
ini beneran apa sarkasme om.. ?
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erwinign wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:00 Om, kl waktu liat gambar skema part transmisi matic itu filter matic/stainer letaknya di deket apa? Penasaran, tapi bingung juga wkt ubek2 di eparts nya suzuki banyak banget bagian2nya di transmisi. Sapa tau nanti pas servis lagi jg rencana kuras atf, jg mau ganti filternya
https://www.suzuki.co.id/eparts/transmission/77/6/18545
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mamat wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 15:58
arfs wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 14:34
mamat wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 17:52 Baik om, terima kasih infonya.
Jangan lupa beli juga gasket/packing ATF oil pan nya om kalo mau ganti filter (strainer) ATF nya...
Biar gk rembes...
Siap om, ini malahan sekalian over houl matic nya [emo-yesno]
buset, abis berapa ni overhoul
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arfs wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:41
erwinign wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:00 Om, kl waktu liat gambar skema part transmisi matic itu filter matic/stainer letaknya di deket apa? Penasaran, tapi bingung juga wkt ubek2 di eparts nya suzuki banyak banget bagian2nya di transmisi. Sapa tau nanti pas servis lagi jg rencana kuras atf, jg mau ganti filternya
https://www.suzuki.co.id/eparts/transmission/77/6/18545
Liat yg no.2
Bener bentuknya lempengan gitu om? Masih buta soal pertransmisian
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erwinign wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:48 Bener bentuknya lempengan gitu om? Masih buta soal pertransmisian
Yup, spt ini:
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Sebaiknya beli karter atau gasket ATF oil pan nya juga.
Biar pas pasang ATF oil pan nya kembali ada peace of mind tidak rembes.
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alvin23 wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:44
buset, abis berapa ni overhoul
Estimasi belasan om, angka pas nya belum tau karena masih ada trouble
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arfs wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 14:25
erwinign wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:48 Bener bentuknya lempengan gitu om? Masih buta soal pertransmisian
Yup, spt ini:
Image

Sebaiknya beli karter atau gasket ATF oil pan nya juga.
Biar pas pasang ATF oil pan nya kembali ada peace of mind tidak rembes.
Up thread ini lagi, berarti flush atf nya harus gerlong ya om? Apa pake atf oil changer masih bs?
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Awalnya baca thread ini rada ragu.
Kuatir transmisi maticnya bakal beroperasi dalam keadaan ATF kosong.
Soalnya, saat di drain ATF yg keluar gak sampai 3 liter padahal total ada 7 liter.
Tapi setelah saya baca berulang2, akhirnya saya paham prinsip kerjanya.
Untuk menjaga kejadian ATF di pan nya habis sebelum semua ATF di TC & valve body keluar (kurleb 4 liter), di wadah penampungan saya beri tanda tiap 1 liter.
Jadi begitu mendekati kapasitas pan, mesin saya matikan lalu isi ulang atf nya.

IMHO, kalau pakai mesin atf changer wajar sih sampai 10 liter walaupun bengkelnya jujur.
Soalnya panjang selang ke mesin ditambah pompa di dalam mesinnya sendiri sdh menampung atf yg tidak sedikit.
Jalurnya lebih panjang
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erwinign wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 18:01
Up thread ini lagi, berarti flush atf nya harus gerlong ya om? Apa pake atf oil changer masih bs?
Pakai gerlong tetap bisa jg koq...

Beda nya sama flush tanpa ganti strainer/filter nya kan cuman buka carter ATF pan nya...
Kalau flush biasa cuman buka drain plug ATF pan nya...

Sama2 keluar oli di carter ATF pan nya...
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arfs wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 14:59
erwinign wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 18:01
Up thread ini lagi, berarti flush atf nya harus gerlong ya om? Apa pake atf oil changer masih bs?
Pakai gerlong tetap bisa jg koq...

Beda nya sama flush tanpa ganti strainer/filter nya kan cuman buka carter ATF pan nya...
Kalau flush biasa cuman buka drain plug ATF pan nya...

Sama2 keluar oli di carter ATF pan nya...
Berarti kl mau ganti strainer nya hrs pake gerlong/atf changer om?
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erwinign wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 17:32
arfs wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 14:59
erwinign wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 18:01
Up thread ini lagi, berarti flush atf nya harus gerlong ya om? Apa pake atf oil changer masih bs?
Pakai gerlong tetap bisa jg koq...

Beda nya sama flush tanpa ganti strainer/filter nya kan cuman buka carter ATF pan nya...
Kalau flush biasa cuman buka drain plug ATF pan nya...

Sama2 keluar oli di carter ATF pan nya...
Berarti kl mau ganti strainer nya hrs pake gerlong/atf changer om?
Mau di fill aja juga bisa koq...

Logika nya gini, kan pas mau ngerjain ganti strainer ATF di oil pan nya di drain dulu..
Lalu oil pan nya dibuka biar bisa ada akses ganti strainer nya...

Jadi yah inti nya sama aja oli yg keluar jumlah nya sama klo kyk drain ATF nya yg dari drain plug ATF oil pan nya.
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erwinign wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 18:01
arfs wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 14:25
erwinign wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:48 Bener bentuknya lempengan gitu om? Masih buta soal pertransmisian
Yup, spt ini:
Image

Sebaiknya beli karter atau gasket ATF oil pan nya juga.
Biar pas pasang ATF oil pan nya kembali ada peace of mind tidak rembes.
Up thread ini lagi, berarti flush atf nya harus gerlong ya om? Apa pake atf oil changer masih bs?

penggantian oil strainer dan flushing itu 2 jenis pekerjaan yang berbeda.
letak oil strainer adanya di transmisi bagian bawah dan musti membuka oil pan disertai penggantian gasket supaya saat oil pan dipasang kembali tidak terjadi kebocoran.
mengenai flush ala gerlong atau pakai mesin, itu kembali kepada pemilik mobil mau menggunakan cara yang mana.
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arfs wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 15:37
erwinign wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 17:32
arfs wrote: Mon Sep 03, 2018 14:59

Pakai gerlong tetap bisa jg koq...

Beda nya sama flush tanpa ganti strainer/filter nya kan cuman buka carter ATF pan nya...
Kalau flush biasa cuman buka drain plug ATF pan nya...

Sama2 keluar oli di carter ATF pan nya...
Berarti kl mau ganti strainer nya hrs pake gerlong/atf changer om?
Mau di fill aja juga bisa koq...

Logika nya gini, kan pas mau ngerjain ganti strainer ATF di oil pan nya di drain dulu..
Lalu oil pan nya dibuka biar bisa ada akses ganti strainer nya...

Jadi yah inti nya sama aja oli yg keluar jumlah nya sama klo kyk drain ATF nya yg dari drain plug ATF oil pan nya.
Pas buka karter pastiin olinya penuh. Jd pas dibuka bisa ngerasain air terjun atf.
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