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b8099ok wrote:FRD katanya mau beli yg pluk en plei dr rodek. Mana?
rodek pass dulu deh, agak2 ga yakin ama suaranya :ngacir: kmrn liat speaker pioneer di lazada sama audiomobilbsd kok tertarik ama harganya yg ga terlalu nguras kantong :upss:

baca2 di kaskus juga katanya speaker depan ama belakang juga kalo bisa jangan sama soalnya suaranya bakal tabrakan dan pantulan suaranya ga bisa sama kaya speaker depan, time allignment nya ke telinga juga jadi gak sama...

jadi, mungkin step awal bakal nyoba ganti speaker depan dulu, belakang tetep pake bawaan avanza, sambil yg lain bertahap :cupss: semoga duitnya cepet kekumpul
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enpeea wrote:
imsus2c wrote:Upgrade saja ke tipe split.
Tweeter-nya taruh saja di dudukan, taruh di dashboard, bukan yg di pillar/modif pillar.
Rapi dan ngga repot kok.
Banyak sekarang speaker split yg tweeter-nya imut :D

Tipikal suara, tipe split harusnya lebih baik dibanding yg coaxial.
Iya sih om imsus rata2 pd bilang pk split gitu..emg spiker coaxial dgn hrga sama kalah jauh ya om dgn split yg terpisah kyk gt?
Kalau kalah jauh sih ngga lah... tapi reproduksi suaranya memang beda.
Kembali lagi ke penilaian kuping-o-meter masing2, subjective sekali
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Turboman wrote:Kalo HU nya gak pake prosesor TA, spiker depan lebih baik coaxial 2 way dgn twiter di atas mid woofernya

Atau sparate 2 way tapi pasang twiter sedekat mungkin mid woofernya

Kalo twiter di atas dash kalo mau enak harus maen TA / atur delay, kalo nggak kuping sakit

Bisa akalin passive tapi suaranya jadi gak proporsional

Ini hasil pengamatan saya selama lebih dr 10 tahun
Betul pak,
Tapi yg saya perhatikan juga, masing2 merk juga punya karakter sendiri. Ada yg kuat treble-nya sampai bikin kuping sakit.
Di salah satu gerobak, saya pakai HU Pioneer (entah tipe apa lupa), sudah beberapa kali coba merk speaker split.
Yg ingat sih ada pernah pasang pioneer, sony, jbl, rodex, teenfox, entan apalagi.
Dengan settingan yg sama persis, keluaran suaranya beda-beda.

Saat ini yg terpasang di depan, speaker split dynaudio (lupa lagi apa tipenya).

Menurut pengukuran kuping-o-meter saya, dengan default setting HU, semakin murah speaker-nya, justru suara treble/tweeter nya makin cring-cring atau cess-cess, betul bikin sakit kuping.
Semakin mahal, malah semakin tidak nge-cring/nge-cess :D
Yg terakhir (dynaudio), malah pelan sekali keluar cring2-nya.

Katanya yg jual (toko), rata2 konsumen tokonya malah seneng kalau suaranya lebih nge-cring tadi :D
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tergantung om,

kl dibanding speaker kertas koran nya nissan, jelas ini upgrade banget...
tp kl dbanding yg bawaan ahond atau atoyot punya, err... upgrade jg sehh... cuman ga ampe sesignifikan kaya waktu di lipina ane dl...

satu lg, yg ane rasain, ini speaker emg treble nya jd lebi nampol... utk kejernihan jg membaik... tp ad satu poin yg ilang, bass nya... kl denger lagu2 pop, dangdut, trance sehh masi acceptable... tp kl ud masuk ranah audiophille, ilang sensasi nya...

makanya ini speaker ane pake buat jd speaker blakang ipah ane doank... speaker depan, ane pake merek laen yg di pisah antara tweeter dan midbass nya...
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bagus nya tetep pake papan mdf ... jgn lgs dibaut ke body... ga enak ntar pas suara kluar, ntuh panel pintu ikutan geter2..
Udah lumayan ya om pk pioneer,,tnp twiter tmbhan kan? Udah nge cesss trebelnya? Hehehe itu brarti kabel tetep bawaan oemnya kan? Gk perlu ganti lagi?
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rodek lumayan koq ... apalagi sub nya.... dl jaman kuliah, ini spiker ckup favorit d kalangan temen2 ane... drpd nebus rockford fosgate punya sub...

udahh... bungkus aj mods.... lmayan buat geter2an di mobil... siapa tau bsa bakar lemak skalian...
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b8099ok wrote:FRD katanya mau beli yg pluk en plei dr rodek. Mana?
rodek pass dulu deh, agak2 ga yakin ama suaranya :ngacir: kmrn liat speaker pioneer di lazada sama audiomobilbsd kok tertarik ama harganya yg ga terlalu nguras kantong :upss:

baca2 di kaskus juga katanya speaker depan ama belakang juga kalo bisa jangan sama soalnya suaranya bakal tabrakan dan pantulan suaranya ga bisa sama kaya speaker depan, time allignment nya ke telinga juga jadi gak sama...

jadi, mungkin step awal bakal nyoba ganti speaker depan dulu, belakang tetep pake bawaan avanza, sambil yg lain bertahap :cupss: semoga duitnya cepet kekumpul
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imsus2c wrote:
Betul pak,
Tapi yg saya perhatikan juga, masing2 merk juga punya karakter sendiri. Ada yg kuat treble-nya sampai bikin kuping sakit.
Di salah satu gerobak, saya pakai HU Pioneer (entah tipe apa lupa), sudah beberapa kali coba merk speaker split.
Yg ingat sih ada pernah pasang pioneer, sony, jbl, rodex, teenfox, entan apalagi.
Dengan settingan yg sama persis, keluaran suaranya beda-beda.

Saat ini yg terpasang di depan, speaker split dynaudio (lupa lagi apa tipenya).

Menurut pengukuran kuping-o-meter saya, dengan default setting HU, semakin murah speaker-nya, justru suara treble/tweeter nya makin cring-cring atau cess-cess, betul bikin sakit kuping.
Semakin mahal, malah semakin tidak nge-cring/nge-cess :D
Yg terakhir (dynaudio), malah pelan sekali keluar cring2-nya.

Katanya yg jual (toko), rata2 konsumen tokonya malah seneng kalau suaranya lebih nge-cring tadi :D
Biasanya type tweeter yg umum digunakan

1, Mini cone tweeter atau mini dome dgn bahan aluminium murah (ini yg speaker kelas ekonomi)

2. Soft dome / Metal dome tanpa resonant chamber (2 way split kelas ekonomi) - Fs above 1000 Hz

3. Soft dome (Silk / Textile / polymer) dgn resonant chamber where Fs below 1000 Hz (kelas tinggi)

4. Metal dome / inverted dome dgn resonant chamber - Fs below 1000 hz (yg kelas tinggi juga)

kalo mau suara high-nya soft saya lebih pilih soft dome, terutama yg ada resonant chamber

Metal dome bila lebih demen dengar musik instrumental, kalo vokal kadang suka agak metallic (but gak semua)

Ada juga tweeter Ring radiator spt Vifa XT 25 / Scan Speak, materialnya agak soft, karakter suara mirip soft dome

Kalo ribbon tweeter spt FA itu udah beda kategori dahhh.....but menurut ane ribbon tweeter utk di mobil agak fragile yah (kecuali mobilnya jarang jalan)
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DOHC wrote:rodek lumayan koq ... apalagi sub nya.... dl jaman kuliah, ini spiker ckup favorit d kalangan temen2 ane... drpd nebus rockford fosgate punya sub...

udahh... bungkus aj mods.... lmayan buat geter2an di mobil... siapa tau bsa bakar lemak skalian...
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b8099ok wrote:FRD katanya mau beli yg pluk en plei dr rodek. Mana?
rodek pass dulu deh, agak2 ga yakin ama suaranya :ngacir: kmrn liat speaker pioneer di lazada sama audiomobilbsd kok tertarik ama harganya yg ga terlalu nguras kantong :upss:

baca2 di kaskus juga katanya speaker depan ama belakang juga kalo bisa jangan sama soalnya suaranya bakal tabrakan dan pantulan suaranya ga bisa sama kaya speaker depan, time allignment nya ke telinga juga jadi gak sama...

jadi, mungkin step awal bakal nyoba ganti speaker depan dulu, belakang tetep pake bawaan avanza, sambil yg lain bertahap :cupss: semoga duitnya cepet kekumpul
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DOHC wrote:rodek lumayan koq ... apalagi sub nya.... dl jaman kuliah, ini spiker ckup favorit d kalangan temen2 ane... drpd nebus rockford fosgate punya sub...

udahh... bungkus aj mods.... lmayan buat geter2an di mobil... siapa tau bsa bakar lemak skalian...
kalem, ngumpulin duit dulu mods, maklum kantong anak SMA ini :upss: tp udah bener niat kalo mw ganti speakernya panjah kok...



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baru liat di fjb, ada audiobank ab-6501c sama pioneer ts-g1644r masing2 cuma kena sapek ceng, trus ada pioneer ts-f1634r cuma kena nopek go, duh...racuuunnn :big_slap:
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coret aj dahh tuh 2 spiker pioneer.... mirip2 ama pioneer nya ane tuh.... cuman bkin trebel lebi jelas doank... tp minim bass... atau kcuali pasang di pintu blakang yah gapapa... tp kl depan, wajip spiker split dehh... ntuh si pioneer ntah knapa ga ngangkat blass bass nya... atau kl budget bener2 kecekek, spiker depan apanja ditandem aj ama twiteer, trus pasang crossover buat atur... uda improve banget tuh...
FRD wrote:baru liat di fjb, ada audiobank ab-6501c sama pioneer ts-g1644r masing2 cuma kena sapek ceng, trus ada pioneer ts-f1634r cuma kena nopek go, duh...racuuunnn :big_slap:
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DOHC wrote:coret aj dahh tuh 2 spiker pioneer.... mirip2 ama pioneer nya ane tuh.... cuman bkin trebel lebi jelas doank... tp minim bass... atau kcuali pasang di pintu blakang yah gapapa... tp kl depan, wajip spiker split dehh... ntuh si pioneer ntah knapa ga ngangkat blass bass nya... atau kl budget bener2 kecekek, spiker depan apanja ditandem aj ama twiteer, trus pasang crossover buat atur... uda improve banget tuh...
jadi spiker2 itu tadi cocoknya cuma buat belakang ya mods? untung blom kontak sellernya :upss: kira2 yg cocok pake crossover pasif apa aktif mods?

ehiya, yg merk audiobank ab-6501 jenisnya spiker split sih, bukan coax... kalo emg hasilnya bagus keknya bisa jadi alternatif spiker split murmer...


ada lagi nih di fjb GARDINER GX 51 6" BY CELLO harganya Rp 575.000.... atau AUDIOBAHN DOME 6" SQL SERIES harganya Rp. 525.000... semua tipe split, bukan coax... masih reasonable sih harganya :ungg:
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Tanya2 ke toko audio.. toko pertama nyaranin jbl gto 628 850rb klo gk salah
tanya lagi ada 2 toko yg nyaranin spiker coaxial merek cello.. Hrganya 800rb..
sama 1 lagi merek dominations 550rb..
ktnya lbh mantep cello krn cello magnetnya lebih gede..
emg klo magnet gede jd lbh empuk suaranya ya om2 suhu?

Cello merek mana ya om?
Trus dari merek2 tsb gmn pengalaman suara dari suhu suhu disini..mhn reviewnya dong..

Oiya itu juga pake tambahan ring apa gitu buat dudukannya pake bahan karet ktnya..100rb
klo pake mdf lama2 lapuk trus suaranya turun gt kata sellernya..
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DOHC wrote:coret aj dahh tuh 2 spiker pioneer.... mirip2 ama pioneer nya ane tuh.... cuman bkin trebel lebi jelas doank... tp minim bass... atau kcuali pasang di pintu blakang yah gapapa... tp kl depan, wajip spiker split dehh... ntuh si pioneer ntah knapa ga ngangkat blass bass nya... atau kl budget bener2 kecekek, spiker depan apanja ditandem aj ama twiteer, trus pasang crossover buat atur... uda improve banget tuh...
FRD wrote:baru liat di fjb, ada audiobank ab-6501c sama pioneer ts-g1644r masing2 cuma kena sapek ceng, trus ada pioneer ts-f1634r cuma kena nopek go, duh...racuuunnn :big_slap:
Wah pioneer dicoret ya om? Om momod pasang di livina untuk depan kan kmren itu?
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FRD wrote:
DOHC wrote:coret aj dahh tuh 2 spiker pioneer.... mirip2 ama pioneer nya ane tuh.... cuman bkin trebel lebi jelas doank... tp minim bass... atau kcuali pasang di pintu blakang yah gapapa... tp kl depan, wajip spiker split dehh... ntuh si pioneer ntah knapa ga ngangkat blass bass nya... atau kl budget bener2 kecekek, spiker depan apanja ditandem aj ama twiteer, trus pasang crossover buat atur... uda improve banget tuh...
jadi spiker2 itu tadi cocoknya cuma buat belakang ya mods? untung blom kontak sellernya :upss: kira2 yg cocok pake crossover pasif apa aktif mods?

ehiya, yg merk audiobank ab-6501 jenisnya spiker split sih, bukan coax... kalo emg hasilnya bagus keknya bisa jadi alternatif spiker split murmer...


ada lagi nih di fjb GARDINER GX 51 6" BY CELLO harganya Rp 575.000.... atau AUDIOBAHN DOME 6" SQL SERIES harganya Rp. 525.000... semua tipe split, bukan coax... masih reasonable sih harganya :ungg:
Cello 575 rb ya om?
Sama kyk cello yg ditawarin ke saya bukan ya kok selisihnya banyak, pdhl cello saya coaxial nih
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enpeea wrote: Cello 575 rb ya om?
Sama kyk cello yg ditawarin ke saya bukan ya kok selisihnya banyak, pdhl cello saya coaxial nih
yg kaya gini om..

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enpeea wrote:Tanya2 ke toko audio.. toko pertama nyaranin jbl gto 628 850rb klo gk salah
tanya lagi ada 2 toko yg nyaranin spiker coaxial merek cello.. Hrganya 800rb..
sama 1 lagi merek dominations 550rb..
ktnya lbh mantep cello krn cello magnetnya lebih gede..
emg klo magnet gede jd lbh empuk suaranya ya om2 suhu?

Cello merek mana ya om?
Trus dari merek2 tsb gmn pengalaman suara dari suhu suhu disini..mhn reviewnya dong..

Oiya itu juga pake tambahan ring apa gitu buat dudukannya pake bahan karet ktnya..100rb
klo pake mdf lama2 lapuk trus suaranya turun gt kata sellernya..
Sundul lagi om :ungg:
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untuk budget 1-2 juta coba bro cek2 di google speaker entry level 'avexis fu6'.

Kalo domisili bro di jakarta bisa mampir ke audiotech MGK atau surabaya di hwely audio jl dukuh kupang. Bro bisa minta di demokan bagaimana performa speaker tsb langsung.

#BukanSalesAvexis #PurelyaCustomerSatisfactionTestimonial
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w168 wrote:untuk budget 1-2 juta coba bro cek2 di google speaker entry level 'avexis fu6'.

Kalo domisili bro di jakarta bisa mampir ke audiotech MGK atau surabaya di hwely audio jl dukuh kupang. Bro bisa minta di demokan bagaimana performa speaker tsb langsung.

#BukanSalesAvexis #PurelyaCustomerSatisfactionTestimonial
avexis ya... tadi siang baca2 di modcom jadi tertarik dan dari testi org yg udah pasang sih pada positif semua dan value for money nya dapet... jadi penasaran hahahahahhaha
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FRD wrote: avexis ya... tadi siang baca2 di modcom jadi tertarik dan dari testi org yg udah pasang sih pada positif semua dan value for money nya dapet... jadi penasaran hahahahahhaha
Biar gak penasaran dateng aja bro ke salah satu dari installer di atas. Awas kena racun bro..

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koreksi dikit dehh... ntar bsa2 bsk2 inbox ane penuh ama pedege pioneer...

intinya tergantung om ngejar karakter suara nya gmana... cuman kl bagi kuping pangsit ane, spiker pioneer ini bagus di suara treble nya doank... utk bass nya, nyaris ga berasa... apalagi kl biasa denger audiophile, berasa ad yg kurang aj... makanya ane tetep saranin spiker split... yg murmer jg ad koq seinget ane, ane di ipah pake split nya intersys (seri lupa), ud nampoll banget...


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DOHC wrote:coret aj dahh tuh 2 spiker pioneer.... mirip2 ama pioneer nya ane tuh.... cuman bkin trebel lebi jelas doank... tp minim bass... atau kcuali pasang di pintu blakang yah gapapa... tp kl depan, wajip spiker split dehh... ntuh si pioneer ntah knapa ga ngangkat blass bass nya... atau kl budget bener2 kecekek, spiker depan apanja ditandem aj ama twiteer, trus pasang crossover buat atur... uda improve banget tuh...
FRD wrote:baru liat di fjb, ada audiobank ab-6501c sama pioneer ts-g1644r masing2 cuma kena sapek ceng, trus ada pioneer ts-f1634r cuma kena nopek go, duh...racuuunnn :big_slap:
Wah pioneer dicoret ya om? Om momod pasang di livina untuk depan kan kmren itu?
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Kok sepi nih,,

Info dr temen hertz juga bagus ktnya..ada yg pernah coba om?
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ini merk cello kayanya jg lumayan naek daun yahh... muter2 mgk ud beberapa audio installer nawarin nya spiker split ini...
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DOHC wrote:ini merk cello kayanya jg lumayan naek daun yahh... muter2 mgk ud beberapa audio installer nawarin nya spiker split ini...
Betul om,
kmren sy juga pas tanya2 pd nyaranin cello..
tp coaxialnya yak cello six itu..klo om ditawarin yg mn tuh?

Ada juga cello solution yg bentuknya kecil, kirai. Sy itu twiter doang tp ternyta fulll range ktnya..
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ane d tawarin nya mirip2 ama gambarnya mods megaton punya tuh... cuman harganya mihul2... ad yg buka ampe sejeti malah...

mending ane beli ampli seken aj dehh drpd nebus spiker gtuan mahal2... toh lebi berasa tendangan nya kl pasang ampli..
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DOHC wrote:ane d tawarin nya mirip2 ama gambarnya mods megaton punya tuh... cuman harganya mihul2... ad yg buka ampe sejeti malah...

mending ane beli ampli seken aj dehh drpd nebus spiker gtuan mahal2... toh lebi berasa tendangan nya kl pasang ampli..
ga sampe cetiau itu cello yg ane upload mods, malah cuma 575rban... :upss:
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