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billyd1773dz wrote:
dhanis wrote:Om, gimana pendapatnya kalo mesin Ranger, tipe WLAT yg sudah pake turbo dipasang di crq?
ok2 aja sih om..... WL-T tu yg TDI non CRD yah? 110ps.

di pkenya sih enak aja om.. apalgi XJ kan jauh lebih ringan dari ranger...
tpi tentu tdk sebanding dgn output mesin 242cu aslinya XJ..

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Sekedar info aja bos, kemaren sempet contact orang toyota waktu mau ganti mesin prado 97 ane, dia kasih quote 1KD-FTV baru import dari jepang 128juta engine+ECU only excluding transmission
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agathos wrote:Sekedar info aja bos, kemaren sempet contact orang toyota waktu mau ganti mesin prado 97 ane, dia kasih quote 1KD-FTV baru import dari jepang 128juta engine+ECU only excluding transmission
saran lebih baik cari lepasan saja mungkin, agak mahal saya rasa... :)
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Pake Mesin Isuzu Bos... 4JB1TC atau 4JG2TC Pasti lebih gampang aplikasinya...!!!
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bukannya kalo ga salah crq udah ada varian 2.5 turbodiesel? aku baca di majalah yang dijual di indo ada varian 2500 cc cuma ga tau itu bensin ato diesel, namanya crq sporty. Kalo versi luarnya emang jelas ada 2.5 turbodiesel.. sabar aja,bro.. rajin2 cari di iklan,sapa tau nemu yg versi dieselnya daripada repot2 engine swap,tul g



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ya...ditempat saya ada 1 unit crq asli diesel thn 01, dapat dari lelangan di palembang...tapi cari spare part engine + drivetrain rada susah, dan nyebrang ke Malaysia
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1hdt bisa masuk ke crq g???
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ak4ng wrote:1hdt bisa masuk ke crq g???
Hmm...banyak juga tantangannya ya...just for info. Pemilik CRQ sy sebelumya juga punya CRQ 96 Limited. FCnya 1:5 km/l dalkot. Bulan lalu dia swap injektornya dgn injektor bekas tapi nggak tahu nih dari mobil apa. Beda dgn injektor bawaan mobil ada di lubang noselnya yg dua biji, asli CRQ satu biji.

Hasilnya......????
FCnya sekarang main di 1:7 km/l dalkot. Pengakuan dia nggak terasa perbdeaan dgn kondisi injektor asli, nggak ada jeda waktu digas dan saat kick down ataupun endut2an. Engine nggak ada gejala panas, hanya saat dihidupkan pagi hari atau saat dingin memang tidak secepat pada saat pakai injektor standar. Kami masih pelajarin nih efek sampingnya terhadap komponen enginenya.

Biaya gantinya 6 biji Rp. 1,5 jt..jadi kepikiran ikutan ganti..Lumayan bisa nggak terlalu jauh beda sama Ipah yg enginenya cuma 1/2 dari cherokee.
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crq pake premium or pertamax???
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^^
selamat mencoba master firawan klw bisa 1:10 kasih info yahh.. hehe langsung di jual yang diesel klw mesin XJ bisa 1:10 sih hehe..


d majalah jip ktanya mw ngulas XJ pke 13BT tuh.. patut di tunggu ulasannya... hehe

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billyd1773dz wrote:^^
selamat mencoba master firawan klw bisa 1:10 kasih info yahh.. hehe langsung di jual yang diesel klw mesin XJ bisa 1:10 sih hehe..


d majalah jip ktanya mw ngulas XJ pke 13BT tuh.. patut di tunggu ulasannya... hehe

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Bro, itu injektor bekas, klo baru kali bisa 1:8 ya?? Aku nggak muluk2 Bro, bisa dapat 1:7 itu aja udah bagus banget utk mobil berusia 14 thn, engine 4.0 liter. Lha baleno kantor thn 2002 aja 1500 cc manual paling bagus 1:9 km/l. Pernah ditest drag bareng temen, memang belum mampu melawan. Lawan berat yg pernah ketemu SUV Xtrail 2.5..tapi dilibas juga.
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ane juga nungguin reviewnya nih.. coba om firawan kalo bisa kontek2 lagi pemilik sebelumnya..
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gmx wrote:ane juga nungguin reviewnya nih.. coba om firawan kalo bisa kontek2 lagi pemilik sebelumnya..
Pemiliknya tetangga sy juga..cuma karena sekarang sy kerja di tambang dan dia kerja di pmt siantar jadi jarang ketemu. Dia juga dapat channel dari sepupunya yg pemilik CRQ juga. Dimensi injektornya mirip dgn bawaan XJ cuma beda di lubang nosel dan seal-sealnya. Tapi bisa duduk bagus tanpa bocor di fuel rail dan intake manifoldnya.

Apa ada yg pernah eksperimen ya? Penasaran karena bisa irit tapi nggak terasa beda performanya dgn asli XJ, mau coba test drive biar yakin sebelum ikutan.
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billyd1773dz wrote:klw ada duit sih semua jd mungkin hehehe....

ikut nyimak dunk...

asiknya pke 1KZ-TE atw 1HD-T tu...

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Bro Billy,

Mungkinkah ini bisa jadi titik terang buat swapping 1KZ-TE ke AW4 CRQ??

Transfer Case options for the A340

While Toyota Tcase options are limited behind the A340, there is one more option that may appeal to you. diambil dari link
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587521

Jeep AW4s are basically the same at the A340, but with one major difference. They DO NOT have an integrated transfer case like the A340 does. The AW4 also has the removable bellhousing, so you can bolt a Toyota bellhousing to the AW4 for use in a Toyota chassis. So, that means that if you used the Jeep AW4 in a toyota, you have the option of going with other transfer cases. Two of which are the Dana 300, and the Atlas II transfer cases. Both of these cases offer a twin stick option to allow yourself the ability to disengage the front and rear axles for use on the trail. The Dana 300 offers a 2.62:1 gearing reduction in stock form, or the ability to get a 4:1 gearing option with either TeraLow gears from Teraflex or LowMax gears from Novak Adapters. The Atlas II offers the option of 3.0:1, 3.8:1, 4.3:1, or 5:1 sets.

The Dana 300 option would require a 5/8" spacer that you can buy from Novak Adapters. This adapter also allows you to clock the Dana 300 almost flat for more ground clearance. It also gives you the option of not needing to pull the rear driveshaft when flat towing, because the output bearing would now be riding in the gear oil in the Tcase.

Ada yg pernah bandingin bell housing (kepala babi) AW4 dgn A340 yg biasanya pasangan sama 1KZ-TE?
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firawan6275 wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:klw ada duit sih semua jd mungkin hehehe....

ikut nyimak dunk...

asiknya pke 1KZ-TE atw 1HD-T tu...

:beer:
Bro Billy,

Mungkinkah ini bisa jadi titik terang buat swapping 1KZ-TE ke AW4 CRQ??

Transfer Case options for the A340

While Toyota Tcase options are limited behind the A340, there is one more option that may appeal to you. diambil dari link
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587521

Jeep AW4s are basically the same at the A340, but with one major difference. They DO NOT have an integrated transfer case like the A340 does. The AW4 also has the removable bellhousing, so you can bolt a Toyota bellhousing to the AW4 for use in a Toyota chassis. So, that means that if you used the Jeep AW4 in a toyota, you have the option of going with other transfer cases. Two of which are the Dana 300, and the Atlas II transfer cases. Both of these cases offer a twin stick option to allow yourself the ability to disengage the front and rear axles for use on the trail. The Dana 300 offers a 2.62:1 gearing reduction in stock form, or the ability to get a 4:1 gearing option with either TeraLow gears from Teraflex or LowMax gears from Novak Adapters. The Atlas II offers the option of 3.0:1, 3.8:1, 4.3:1, or 5:1 sets.

The Dana 300 option would require a 5/8" spacer that you can buy from Novak Adapters. This adapter also allows you to clock the Dana 300 almost flat for more ground clearance. It also gives you the option of not needing to pull the rear driveshaft when flat towing, because the output bearing would now be riding in the gear oil in the Tcase.

Ada yg pernah bandingin bell housing (kepala babi) AW4 dgn A340 yg biasanya pasangan sama 1KZ-TE?
Atau klo kendalanya di ECU atau TCU, apa mungkin yg satu ini bisa jadi solusi?

I suggest you get a 1KZ-TE, have the rings and pinions changed to 1:4.56
You'll get some clearance in the engine bay, it mates with the AW auto with minor adjustments, better if you get a 1KZ with an auto tranny, you will have to replace the out put shaft from the one in cherokee to attach with the transfer case, that way you will have the original diesel version speed ratios, the torque converter has six bolts while in the cherokee has 4 or 3 I am not sure.
The petrol AW has a green colored identification plate on the side while the diesel has a blue colored, the petrol version has different ratios while the diesel has different but the end output shafts are interchangeable. I have a 1996 cherokee which wrecked the original AW, got one from a Prado changed the out put shaft and also the shift lever link from one side to the other and that was it. It's been running for the last year and a half no probs except the revs a little more than it did with the petrol version.
More if you decide on it.
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ini linknya:
http://www.toyotadiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427
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^^
mesti bener2 di push om, baru kerasa bedanya.... XJ sih cyld mati 1 juga masih bisa lari hehehe.... asal dlm kota sih...

tp da klw buat daily use ya ga perlu gede2 juga tenaganya sih.. klw bisa irit mah maknyuss.. tp klw sya sih bru layak coba klw bisa 1:10 gpp tenaga di korbankan juga hehe.... asal gaya di utamakan haha

yg lucu WJ pernah sepanjang jalan tasik bandung check engine nyala, tp ketenaga masih ok cuma bensin aja ngocor perjalanan 100kman tasik bandung habis 3/4.padahal sehari sebelumnya dari jogja ke tasik sekitar 400km cuma abis 1/2 tank sekitar 35ltr (1:11). sampai rumah OBDnya ngelaporin 3 cyld misfire hehe..... dan emang geter2 gtu g bener... tp untuk pemakaian normal keluar kota g kerasa beda tenaganya...


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wah om bily punya WJ,, fotonya donk!
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firawan6275 wrote:
firawan6275 wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:klw ada duit sih semua jd mungkin hehehe....

ikut nyimak dunk...

asiknya pke 1KZ-TE atw 1HD-T tu...

:beer:
Bro Billy,

Mungkinkah ini bisa jadi titik terang buat swapping 1KZ-TE ke AW4 CRQ??

Transfer Case options for the A340

While Toyota Tcase options are limited behind the A340, there is one more option that may appeal to you. diambil dari link
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587521

Jeep AW4s are basically the same at the A340, but with one major difference. They DO NOT have an integrated transfer case like the A340 does. The AW4 also has the removable bellhousing, so you can bolt a Toyota bellhousing to the AW4 for use in a Toyota chassis. So, that means that if you used the Jeep AW4 in a toyota, you have the option of going with other transfer cases. Two of which are the Dana 300, and the Atlas II transfer cases. Both of these cases offer a twin stick option to allow yourself the ability to disengage the front and rear axles for use on the trail. The Dana 300 offers a 2.62:1 gearing reduction in stock form, or the ability to get a 4:1 gearing option with either TeraLow gears from Teraflex or LowMax gears from Novak Adapters. The Atlas II offers the option of 3.0:1, 3.8:1, 4.3:1, or 5:1 sets.

The Dana 300 option would require a 5/8" spacer that you can buy from Novak Adapters. This adapter also allows you to clock the Dana 300 almost flat for more ground clearance. It also gives you the option of not needing to pull the rear driveshaft when flat towing, because the output bearing would now be riding in the gear oil in the Tcase.

Ada yg pernah bandingin bell housing (kepala babi) AW4 dgn A340 yg biasanya pasangan sama 1KZ-TE?
Atau klo kendalanya di ECU atau TCU, apa mungkin yg satu ini bisa jadi solusi?

I suggest you get a 1KZ-TE, have the rings and pinions changed to 1:4.56
You'll get some clearance in the engine bay, it mates with the AW auto with minor adjustments, better if you get a 1KZ with an auto tranny, you will have to replace the out put shaft from the one in cherokee to attach with the transfer case, that way you will have the original diesel version speed ratios, the torque converter has six bolts while in the cherokee has 4 or 3 I am not sure.
The petrol AW has a green colored identification plate on the side while the diesel has a blue colored, the petrol version has different ratios while the diesel has different but the end output shafts are interchangeable. I have a 1996 cherokee which wrecked the original AW, got one from a Prado changed the out put shaft and also the shift lever link from one side to the other and that was it. It's been running for the last year and a half no probs except the revs a little more than it did with the petrol version.
More if you decide on it.
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ini linknya:
http://www.toyotadiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427
nice info om hehe

tp uda bisa kok om... CJ ade ane uda jalan dgn lancar hehehe..... torsinya mantaapp g kalah sama XJ... padahal ban sudah 32" dan ratio standar XJ... harusnya ratio diganti 4.56 sesuai dgn spek mesin Prado.
dan yang paling demen turbonya ajiib.. bersiul - siul hehe

cuma aslinya A340 kan g pke transcooler nya tu ke radiator, klw AW4 Transcoolernya misah.. nah peer ane masang transcoolernya haha blm sempet aja... Aw4 walau basicnya mirip dgn A340 tp lebih banyak ngehasilin panas..

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ak4ng wrote:wah om bily punya WJ,, fotonya donk!
ini om... di gim 4x4 evo 2
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ane belinya juga pke CHEAT duit om.. jadi tajirr haha...


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billyd1773dz wrote: nice info om hehe

tp uda bisa kok om... CJ ade ane uda jalan dgn lancar hehehe..... torsinya mantaapp g kalah sama XJ... padahal ban sudah 32" dan ratio standar XJ... harusnya ratio diganti 4.56 sesuai dgn spek mesin Prado.
dan yang paling demen turbonya ajiib.. bersiul - siul hehe

cuma aslinya A340 kan g pke transcooler nya tu ke radiator, klw AW4 Transcoolernya misah.. nah peer ane masang transcoolernya haha blm sempet aja... Aw4 walau basicnya mirip dgn A340 tp lebih banyak ngehasilin panas..

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Disharing dong bro, biaya sama bengkelnya. Klo nggak salah Aw4 juga pake transcooler utama nyatu sama radiator dan auxiliary cooler didepan radiator? Klo thn 95 kebawah sebelum ABS coolernya lebih panjang/melebar sepanjang radiator dibanding 96up yg tampak persegi?
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^^
yup beda dgn Prado aslinya g ada auxilary yang di depan radiator itu.... sebenernya skrng juga uda ok kemarin sengaja maik ke gunung nyari yg nanjak uda aman g ada gejala panas/slip.. tp bgtu main tanah aga lama... mulai deh kerasa slip.. tp baca di bnyk forum luar AW4 memang terkenal badak tapi kelemahanya penghasil panas yg tinggi.. jd yah main aman aja... mending di pasang aja transcooler bawaanya AW4nya hehe... asalnya ngikutin jalur Prado bro jd g pke transcooler external... hehe bengkelnya d bandung om.. soal biaya harga engine halfcutnya kemarin 45jt tp banyak yg g kepake sih... mungkin klw bisa beli engine only bisa lebih murah yah..

dan yg paling susah ngurus surat nya euy.. huhu
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