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Setuju!!! .. pertama2 baca ttg GL ok tuh... tp lama2 ueneg jg gua, kalo udah ada postingan "[cencored]" gw skip aja deh.. malas bacanya ... bos ... bos ... cara anda mengekspresikan pendapat/fanatisme sama GL malah bikin SM-ers lain jadi negative thinking sama U dan ill-feel sama GL ... frankly speaking... pls behave and review your attitude... no hard feeling bro!! i just telling your main problems.
blindzero wrote: sorry bung sithlord, gw dulu suka baca info anda mengenai Nissan. Tapi lama kelamaan, gw rasa info anda over banget.... barang yang anda promote tidak sebagus barang itu sendiri. Mau contoh ?? Grand Livina...... mobil biasa sekali, tapi kalo baca postingan anda... seakan akan bisa menyaingi alphard. :lol:

Tapi dari segi positifnya, anda punya kemampuan menjadi seorang salesman sejati :)
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maxx wrote:Setuju!!! .. pertama2 baca ttg GL ok tuh... tp lama2 ueneg jg gua, kalo udah ada postingan "[cencored]" gw skip aja deh.. malas bacanya ... bos ... bos ... cara anda mengekspresikan pendapat/fanatisme sama GL malah bikin SM-ers lain jadi negative thinking sama U dan ill-feel sama GL ... frankly speaking... pls behave and review your attitude... no hard feeling bro!! i just telling your main problems.
blindzero wrote: sorry bung sithlord, gw dulu suka baca info anda mengenai Nissan. Tapi lama kelamaan, gw rasa info anda over banget.... barang yang anda promote tidak sebagus barang itu sendiri. Mau contoh ?? Grand Livina...... mobil biasa sekali, tapi kalo baca postingan anda... seakan akan bisa menyaingi alphard. :lol:

Tapi dari segi positifnya, anda punya kemampuan menjadi seorang salesman sejati :)
Iya sih, saran gw buat Bung Sith Lord mungkin sedikit nahan gairah kali ya kalo nulis ttg GL
Karena sudah banyak yang complain
Ntar orang yang tadinya suka sama GL di forum ini malah jadi ke trigger buat nyari kelemahan GL gara2 commentya Sith Lord
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Si A muji2 produk B setengah mati. Di cap fanatik (bener sih,, kali) . Si C nggak suka si A karena muji brand B kelewatan. Menurut guru psikologi gw dulu, 100% pasti si C juga fanatik merek lain (tapi malu2).

Aaah...... sebenarnya personnel issue. Sangat tidak menarik ama gw.

Mo fanatik merek C atau merek D, it's your rights. Lu muji produk X, jelekin produk Y, it's your rights.

Tapi kalo udah personnel attack, muaaaaakk.....!!!

(Popcorn udah habis. Pulang aaah..)
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Menurut gw sih merek Jepang gak ada yg bisa di fanatik-in. Merek Jepang masih lebih ke reliable and comfortable transportation - tidak bisa menghidupkan "passion" (ada pengecualian sih one or two kaya WRX atau Evolution atau Nissan Z)

Lain halnya premium Euro brands - BMW, M-B, Audi, Land Rover, Maserati, Ferrari, etc etc... boleh lah di fanatik-in. Dibikinnya juga dgn passion, untuk org yg passionate about cars.

Kalo Corolla, Civic, Innova, Livina, Fortuner bah...ngapain di fanatik-in? It runs and takes me from point A to point B dgn tanpa masalah.

Kalo ada true auto enthusiast disini, pasti diketawain...man they're fighting over a MINIVAN!!! This one dude talks about a 1.5 liter minivan like it's the second coming of the Ferrari Enzo!
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FortunerMan wrote:Menurut gw sih merek Jepang gak ada yg bisa di fanatik-in. Merek Jepang masih lebih ke reliable and comfortable transportation - tidak bisa menghidupkan "passion" (ada pengecualian sih one or two kaya WRX atau Evolution atau Nissan Z)

Lain halnya premium Euro brands - BMW, M-B, Audi, Land Rover, Maserati, Ferrari, etc etc... boleh lah di fanatik-in. Dibikinnya juga dgn passion, untuk org yg passionate about cars.

Kalo Corolla, Civic, Innova, Livina, Fortuner bah...ngapain di fanatik-in? It runs and takes me from point A to point B dgn tanpa masalah.

Kalo ada true auto enthusiast disini, pasti diketawain...man they're fighting over a MINIVAN!!! This one dude talks about a 1.5 liter minivan like it's the second coming of the Ferrari Enzo!
Very true, Mr. FortunerMan. Kalau aku, mungkin fanatik Aston Martin, nih :mrgreen:
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kata siapa bro? biasanya yg byk bgt itu fanatisme honda

kalo toyota jarang...biasanya pemakainya cuma sekedar pake doank
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FortunerMan wrote:Menurut gw sih merek Jepang gak ada yg bisa di fanatik-in. Merek Jepang masih lebih ke reliable and comfortable transportation - tidak bisa menghidupkan "passion" (ada pengecualian sih one or two kaya WRX atau Evolution atau Nissan Z)
Completely not agree with you

Definisi fanatik itu kan tidak tergantung merk..
Fanatik itu kan artinya sangat suka sekali terhadap sesuatu dan setia dengannya
Tidak ada hubungannya dengan merk

Kalau ada yang fanatik sama Kijang is normal.. Kijang sudah terbukti bertahun2 kan.. it's legend car..
Kalau ada yang fanatik sama merk Honda juga gak papa
Daripada gw bilang gini," Gw sih fanatik sama Ferrari" .. naik Ferrari juga kagak pernah, megang aja gak pernah..

Fanatik is about heart.. not about the thing it self
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uch wrote:Si A muji2 produk B setengah mati. Di cap fanatik (bener sih,, kali) . Si C nggak suka si A karena muji brand B kelewatan. Menurut guru psikologi gw dulu, 100% pasti si C juga fanatik merek lain (tapi malu2).

Aaah...... sebenarnya personnel issue. Sangat tidak menarik ama gw.

Mo fanatik merek C atau merek D, it's your rights. Lu muji produk X, jelekin produk Y, it's your rights.

Tapi kalo udah personnel attack, muaaaaakk.....!!!

(Popcorn udah habis. Pulang aaah..)
konsisten dong agh... td bilangnya si C itu temen si A. dikalimat lain si C itu merk dagang.. huahahahah...

drpd muak ini gw kasi popcorn lg :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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satyr wrote:kata siapa bro? biasanya yg byk bgt itu fanatisme honda

kalo toyota jarang...biasanya pemakainya cuma sekedar pake doank
iya kayanya fans Honda tuh banyak deh....banyak kok kaos2 JDM yg buat fans Honda....apalagi Civic..
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yoi... JDM honda jg paling banyak

jarang bgt jdm mitsubishi, jdm nissan

jdm toyota masi ada ..tp dikit
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Wah-wah-wah... kalau begitu gue mau buat fanatik idm (indonesia domestic market). Mungkin Thailand sukses dengan menarik investor bidang otomotif, tetapi sebenarnya hanya di Indonesia yang bisa bikin karoseri minibus dipinggir jalan. Kalau pagi berangkat kerja, gue selalu melihat proses pembuatan minibus di pinggir jalan Lenteng Agung, mulai dari rangka, body, ngecet dst sampai akhirnya dipakai penumpang mungkin 20 - 30 orang... bayangin... mungkin inilah fanatisme terbesar terhadap idm.... mengenai safety??..... don't ask.....
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mana ada yg mau fanatik IDM. full spek down
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satyr wrote:mana ada yg mau fanatik IDM. full spek down
Kalo mau yang smack down ... ada di deket2 sumedang ....
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kalau mau up down ada di lift
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Untuk cegah HIV pakailah count down ...

Dah ikutan korslet gara2 GL and salesperson NMI ... :roll:
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Ide bagus utk IDM, walau ga perlu sampai menjurus ke fanatisme.

Idealnya tiap produk hrs disesuaikan iklim dan kondisi jalan/lalu lintas masing2 negara.
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Idealnya tiap produk hrs disesuaikan iklim dan kondisi jalan/lalu lintas masing2 negara.
baca : disesuaikan dengan keuntungan ATPM :D
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satyr wrote:
Idealnya tiap produk hrs disesuaikan iklim dan kondisi jalan/lalu lintas masing2 negara.
baca : disesuaikan dengan keuntungan ATPM :D
wah, kalo ini namanya baru Win-win situation, konsumen puas, produsen jg puas :lol:
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kita untung, bangsa untung...
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Hansen wrote:kita untung, bangsa untung...
cuman mau :lol: (ketawa)
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kalo ada member yg bilang spekdown..gw rasa agak kurang cocok yah...mobil yg di jual disini dikurangi aza fitur2 nya IMO...toh di luar jg harus optional koq kalo ga salah..:)

kalo material mobil yg dipake nya laen itu baru spekdown menurut gw...misalkan..plastik dashboard yg lembut di luar dijual disini jadi plastik keras..

how do you guys think?:)
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iya, mungkin dikurangi fitur2 itu masuk kategori spekdown mnrt beberapa member di sini.

Sebetulnya susah sih membandingkan konsumen negara lain (misalnya Jepang) dg Indonesia.

Misalnya, dr segi buying power saja sdh beda banget.

Pendapatan org pekerja kantor di Jepang lulusan S1 tanpa pengalaman kerja itu sekitar 15 jt an/bulan (msh ada bonus setahun 2 kali). Lagian harga mobil di Jpg jg murah2 (kasarannya separuh harga mobil di Indonesia utk merk/model yg sama).

saya kalo jadi produsen mobil di Indo, mgkn jg mikir gmn harga mobil bisa pas dg kantong org2 Indo,....hasilnya yah fitur ini itu dikurangi.

Mengenai apa material mobil jg sampai diganti buat nekan cost, saya krg tau ...mgkn member2 yg lain bisa bantu kasih pencerahan?
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sipp bung koes koes..
kalo pengurangan fitur mah jamak terjadi yah menurut guw....heuhue...
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ya kalo gitu contoh gampang deh

di thailand altis (waktu pertama keluar) udah VSC, VVT-i, super ECT, 3 color optitron, immobilizer

di indo itu semua ilang


jauhhhhhhh bgt spek down nya
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Iya ya,,, ribet juga. Disatu sisi pemerintah ingin membantu industri dalam negeri dengan meningkatkan local content dari mobil yang diassembling disini. Hasilnya seharusnya lebih murah.. tetapi karena pajaknya tetap tinggi buntutnya.. harga tetap saja tinggi. Kalau harga jadi terlalu murah, jalan di Indonesia pasti penuh sekali, karena tidak banyak yang memikirkan pembangunan jalan.
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