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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:32
marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 13:54
Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:09
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. asal ga dipakai utk aplikasi yg membutuhkan akurasi tinggi macam cylinder head bolts sih masih oke.

apa contoh lain yang masuk kategori akurasi tinggi?
sama contoh-contoh yang masuk kategori bukan akurasi tinggi apa suhu mbah shifu?
nanya ini pasti cuma pengalihan isu ini. level punggawa garasi 69 pasti sambil ngunyah roti sumbu cengengesan ngerjain saya. :big_bored:

ini mengarang indah ya mbah, mon dimaafken kl ternyata belum sesuai.

kategori akurasi tinggi (deviasi TW 4% kebawah):
- baut jeroan mesin, transmisi, gardan.
- baut flywheel dan drive train lainnya spt dekrup dll.
- baut propeller shaft rwd.
- baut drive shaft
- baut harmonic damper pulley
- baut pulley2 yg lain
- baut oil pan n valve cover


kategori akurasi rendah (deviasi TW max. 10%):
- baut komponen rem
- baut shock, control arm n kaki2 lainnya.
- baut/mur roda
- baut interior parts
- baut body (pintu, kap mesin, dll)
- baut engine mounting.
- baut pendukung engine bay (air filter box, reservoirs, dll)
Hadeh u baut oil pan aja ngga bisa dipake tu TW Sellery :big_cry:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:32

nanya ini pasti cuma pengalihan isu ini. level punggawa garasi 69 pasti sambil ngunyah roti sumbu cengengesan ngerjain saya. :big_bored:

ini mengarang indah ya mbah, mon dimaafken kl ternyata belum sesuai.

kategori akurasi tinggi (deviasi TW 4% kebawah):
- baut jeroan mesin, transmisi, gardan.
- baut flywheel dan drive train lainnya spt dekrup dll.
- baut propeller shaft rwd.
- baut drive shaft
- baut harmonic damper pulley
- baut pulley2 yg lain
- baut oil pan n valve cover


kategori akurasi rendah (deviasi TW max. 10%):
- baut komponen rem
- baut shock, control arm n kaki2 lainnya.
- baut/mur roda
- baut interior parts
- baut body (pintu, kap mesin, dll)
- baut engine mounting.
- baut pendukung engine bay (air filter box, reservoirs, dll)

wah... ntap. ini bener-bener masukan berharga.

endak mbah.... ini serius, murni bertanya karena ketidaktahuan saya, pengetahuan masih dangkal.
kalo bohong, biar mbah DOHC kelolodan kaos kaki.

wah, mur/baut roda yang saya pikir butuh akurasi tinggi ternyata toleransinya cukup besar ya.... dan baut valve cover, yang saya kira toleransinya boleh besar, ternyata masuk golongan maksimal 4%.
baiklah....

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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:35
Hadeh u baut oil pan aja ngga bisa dipake tu TW Sellery :big_cry:

sellery kalo obeng masih oke lah.... torq wrench? sabar nabung lagi, tambahin sedikit lagi dapet merk yang jelas, yang nyantumin deviasi berapa % kaya yang lagi dibeli sama ....

eeeh.... nggg... lupa, musti matiin kompor bentar....

:e-whistle:

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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:55
blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:35
Hadeh u baut oil pan aja ngga bisa dipake tu TW Sellery :big_cry:

sellery kalo obeng masih oke lah.... torq wrench? sabar nabung lagi, tambahin sedikit lagi dapet merk yang jelas, yang nyantumin deviasi berapa % kaya yang lagi dibeli sama ....

eeeh.... nggg... lupa, musti matiin kompor bentar....

:e-whistle:

:ngacir:
Ini mbah yanuar beli Torque Wrench digital ya?
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:35
Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:32
marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 13:54


apa contoh lain yang masuk kategori akurasi tinggi?
sama contoh-contoh yang masuk kategori bukan akurasi tinggi apa suhu mbah shifu?
nanya ini pasti cuma pengalihan isu ini. level punggawa garasi 69 pasti sambil ngunyah roti sumbu cengengesan ngerjain saya. :big_bored:

ini mengarang indah ya mbah, mon dimaafken kl ternyata belum sesuai.

kategori akurasi tinggi (deviasi TW 4% kebawah):
- baut jeroan mesin, transmisi, gardan.
- baut flywheel dan drive train lainnya spt dekrup dll.
- baut propeller shaft rwd.
- baut drive shaft
- baut harmonic damper pulley
- baut pulley2 yg lain
- baut oil pan n valve cover


kategori akurasi rendah (deviasi TW max. 10%):
- baut komponen rem
- baut shock, control arm n kaki2 lainnya.
- baut/mur roda
- baut interior parts
- baut body (pintu, kap mesin, dll)
- baut engine mounting.
- baut pendukung engine bay (air filter box, reservoirs, dll)
Hadeh u baut oil pan aja ngga bisa dipake tu TW Sellery :big_cry:
bisa kok bisa om, ga hrs akurasi tinggi kok itu. oh lupa kesebut ... maapken om.
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blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:04
marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:55
blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:35
Hadeh u baut oil pan aja ngga bisa dipake tu TW Sellery :big_cry:

sellery kalo obeng masih oke lah.... torq wrench? sabar nabung lagi, tambahin sedikit lagi dapet merk yang jelas, yang nyantumin deviasi berapa % kaya yang lagi dibeli sama ....

eeeh.... nggg... lupa, musti matiin kompor bentar....

:e-whistle:

:ngacir:
Ini mbah yanuar beli Torque Wrench digital ya?
Engga mbah bukan ane suer deh :big_dunno:
Punya satu aja ngga habis2 mbah :big_cry:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:49
wah... ntap. ini bener-bener masukan berharga.

endak mbah.... ini serius, murni bertanya karena ketidaktahuan saya, pengetahuan masih dangkal.
kalo bohong, biar mbah DOHC kelolodan kaos kaki.

wah, mur/baut roda yang saya pikir butuh akurasi tinggi ternyata toleransinya cukup besar ya.... dan baut valve cover, yang saya kira toleransinya boleh besar, ternyata masuk golongan maksimal 4%.
baiklah....

:big_okay:
sebetulnya sy juga ngasal mbah, apa lah sy ini juga masih ngeraba2 apa yg sy omongin. :weekk:

cuma dasarnya yg sy pakai itu begini mbah. contoh valve cover, ada bbrp fsm yg sampai instruksinya itu ttg urutan baut mana dulu kan. sampai kaya gitu disuruh fsm berarti TW nya jg hrs yg akurat dong. dan lagi, kedua, konsekuensinya kl ga akurat. kan bocor jadinya.

skrg baut propeller shaft rwd. itu kan ada banyak. kl ga kencengnya hampir sama, kayanya geter atau mungkin jadi aus prematur krn gesekan ga merata dsb. jd harus akurasi tinggi.

knp baut roda, baut rem, baut suspensi sy ga masukin. pertama, lihat dr foto yg mbah tampilin bbrp waktu lalu bahwa baut roda dikasih range torque spec nya. berarti dia mengakomodir ketidaktepatan. mungkin yg ganti ban kan bisa siapa saja jd pabrik memasukan faktor human error disitu tp ga sampai celaka gitu. suspensi n rem juga sama, yg gantinya model asem reges pinggir jalan kan juga ga pernah bikin sampai org celaka padahal boro2 pake TW, krn safety factor nya sdh diperhitungkan sama pabrik. kasarnya, org bukan pro aja hrs bisa repair itu dgn limited tools. tapi coba ganti flywheel ga pakai TW. bisa tp kl sy mampir ke bengkel gitu mending lari drpd sy yg kena apesnya. :big_biglaugh:
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Btw, ud 4 hari koq baru pej 8

Itu tret oli kapan kebalap neh pas akhir taon ini
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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blloewy wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:04
Ini mbah yanuar beli Torque Wrench digital ya?

kalo beliau sudah punya yang digital. ada di part 1 halaman 80an kalo ndak salah.
jangan coba-coba cari tau harganya.... bisa kena komplikasi asma dan asam urat nanti.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:39

sebetulnya sy juga ngasal mbah, apa lah sy ini juga masih ngeraba2 apa yg sy omongin. :weekk:

cuma dasarnya yg sy pakai itu begini mbah. contoh valve cover, ada bbrp fsm yg sampai instruksinya itu ttg urutan baut mana dulu kan. sampai kaya gitu disuruh fsm berarti TW nya jg hrs yg akurat dong. dan lagi, kedua, konsekuensinya kl ga akurat. kan bocor jadinya.

skrg baut propeller shaft rwd. itu kan ada banyak. kl ga kencengnya hampir sama, kayanya geter atau mungkin jadi aus prematur krn gesekan ga merata dsb. jd harus akurasi tinggi.

knp baut roda, baut rem, baut suspensi sy ga masukin. pertama, lihat dr foto yg mbah tampilin bbrp waktu lalu bahwa baut roda dikasih range torque spec nya. berarti dia mengakomodir ketidaktepatan. mungkin yg ganti ban kan bisa siapa saja jd pabrik memasukan faktor human error disitu tp ga sampai celaka gitu. suspensi n rem juga sama, yg gantinya model asem reges pinggir jalan kan juga ga pernah bikin sampai org celaka padahal boro2 pake TW, krn safety factor nya sdh diperhitungkan sama pabrik. kasarnya, org bukan pro aja hrs bisa repair itu dgn limited tools. tapi coba ganti flywheel ga pakai TW. bisa tp kl sy mampir ke bengkel gitu mending lari drpd sy yg kena apesnya. :big_biglaugh:

neruga.

tapi kalo valve cover mesin toyota K-series cuma 2 mur-nya mbah....
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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DOHC wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:43 Btw, ud 4 hari koq baru pej 8

Itu tret oli kapan kebalap neh pas akhir taon ini
kayanya ane ga boleh ngomong panjang2 mbah. harus dikit2 tp sering. kl engga pej nya ga ganti2 yakk

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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:54
neruga.

tapi kalo valve cover mesin toyota K-series cuma 2 mur-nya mbah....
meskipun 2 juga, tanya tuh mbah DOHC, apa jadinya kl yg 1 dikencengin igun yg 1 nya dikencengin renata.


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baik ditonton sebelum tidur...


https://youtu.be/7XGhWH70Puc
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Olahraga ringan pagi ini.
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Ganti oli motor matic sijuki kesayangan yg sdh 13,5 thn menemani.
Toolsnya cm kunci T ukuran 8 mm pny Teki
Sama kunci shock 14 mm pny ......ya tau lah dari kotaknya itu :big_biglaugh:
Maafkan saya mbah shifu...meskipun sdh gabung disini tp msh pake cara asemreges saat tuang oli nya
Krn corong ngga nemu yg pas akhirnya pake kertas pun jadi :big_grin:
Dan krn butuh 1,1 L oli berikut ganti pilter, dipakailah skill asemreges yg namanya trial dan liat dipstick :big_peace:
Demikian report olahraga pagi ini dr kawasan zona merah Kopid 19 :big_cry:

Owh iya lupa nambahin...ngencengin baut nya sdh ikut aturan diktat Von Asem Reges...
1/4 putaran dgn kunci sdh cukup setelah dikencangkan dgn tangan :big_grin:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:55
DOHC wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:43 Btw, ud 4 hari koq baru pej 8

Itu tret oli kapan kebalap neh pas akhir taon ini
kayanya ane ga boleh ngomong panjang2 mbah. harus dikit2 tp sering. kl engga pej nya ga ganti2 yakk

:upss:
Sebenernya cuman perlu post extension aj koq mbah

Lgs part 4 deh
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marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:55 sellery kalo obeng masih oke lah.... torq wrench? sabar nabung lagi, tambahin sedikit lagi dapet merk yang jelas, yang nyantumin deviasi berapa % kaya yang lagi dibeli sama ....

eeeh.... nggg... lupa, musti matiin kompor bentar....

:e-whistle:

:ngacir:

Ini kalau liat fotonya ada kertas yang nyantumin klaim akurasi +4% (di poin no. 7), tapi masalahnya ga keliatan ada kertas yang nunjukin hasil kalibrasi mereka, jadi entah apa dikalibrasi atau engga di pabriknya :big_bored:

https://www.tokopedia.com/hwtoolsjkt/ku ... ery?whid=0
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Nubi ikutan nimbrung...

Pagi ini mau coba iseng ngukur gap busi n iseng mau intip ruang bakar..

Handtool yg digunakan:
- American tools deep socket 14mm
- teteh kiro "Trelek"
- teteh kiro spark gap (gauge)
- borescope entah merk apa
Screenshot_20201031-094309_Gallery.jpg
Screenshot_20201031-094338_Gallery.jpg
Screenshot_20201031-094336_Gallery.jpg
2 busi 1mm peret, 2 sisanya 1mm tp agak loss.... Tak ketuk sikit biar jd 1mm peret juga.

Masup ke intip2 ruang bakar, ke piston 2 & 3. 1 n 4 lagi naik ke atas jd susah difoto :big_biglaugh:
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20201031_0912030.png
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Borescope tinggal culuk ke powerbank dan liat hasil pake hape. Koneksi pake wifi (borescope sebagai hotspotnya)

Demikian nubi sharing.
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josomba wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:51 Nubi ikutan nimbrung...

Pagi ini mau coba iseng ngukur gap busi n iseng mau intip ruang bakar..

Handtool yg digunakan:
- American tools deep socket 14mm
- teteh kiro "Trelek"
- teteh kiro spark gap (gauge)
- borescope entah merk apa

Screenshot_20201031-094309_Gallery.jpg

Screenshot_20201031-094338_Gallery.jpg

Screenshot_20201031-094336_Gallery.jpg

2 busi 1mm peret, 2 sisanya 1mm tp agak loss.... Tak ketuk sikit biar jd 1mm peret juga.

Masup ke intip2 ruang bakar, ke piston 2 & 3. 1 n 4 lagi naik ke atas jd susah difoto :big_biglaugh:

20201031_0911028.png
20201031_0912030.png
Screenshot_20201031-094330_Gallery.jpg

Borescope tinggal culuk ke powerbank dan liat hasil pake hape. Koneksi pake wifi (borescope sebagai hotspotnya)

Demikian nubi sharing.
Mobil apa mbah

Busi agak sdikit kotor ya, tp masi wajar seh
Kotor tp kering

Ga kaya yg honda jazz GK5 2019 yg odo belasan rebu tp ud ganti
Trekstang
Link stabil
Boot trekstang + oetikerclamps
Fanbelt
Ban michelin
Wiper 2x
Oli full amsoil
Tembak vet ke joint steer, steering rack ama cv joint pake amsoil

Tp busi nya foiled :big_weee:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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DOHC wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:19
Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:55
DOHC wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:43 Btw, ud 4 hari koq baru pej 8

Itu tret oli kapan kebalap neh pas akhir taon ini
kayanya ane ga boleh ngomong panjang2 mbah. harus dikit2 tp sering. kl engga pej nya ga ganti2 yakk

:upss:
Sebenernya cuman perlu post extension aj koq mbah

Lgs part 4 deh
penasaran yaaa ...... :mky_07:

ntar kl ane posting paling respon nya gitu doang abis itu move on. justru mbah nih yg jarang posting tools tambahan lagi. :big_think:
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DOHC wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:00
Mobil apa mbah

Busi agak sdikit kotor ya, tp masi wajar seh
Kotor tp kering

Ga kaya yg honda jazz GK5 2019 yg odo belasan rebu tp ud ganti
Trekstang
Link stabil
Boot trekstang + oetikerclamps
Fanbelt
Ban michelin
Wiper 2x
Oli full amsoil
Tembak vet ke joint steer, steering rack ama cv joint pake amsoil

Tp busi nya foiled :big_weee:
Masdut mbah...

Ini juga joint di intermediate shaft kemaren pas dibuka mbah marmut, kita cuba gerak2in juga mulai gredeg gredeggg :big_biglaugh:

Itu gk5 ndak salah baru belasan rebu dah kena link stabil? Masa kalah ama DD4, di 60an rebu baru mulai kendor tp belom oblak banget sih.
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marmut wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 15:55
sellery kalo obeng masih oke lah.... torq wrench? sabar nabung lagi, tambahin sedikit lagi dapet merk yang jelas, yang nyantumin deviasi berapa % kaya yang lagi dibeli sama ....

eeeh.... nggg... lupa, musti matiin kompor bentar....

:e-whistle:

:ngacir:
Awas kompor ga dimatiin, ntuh nyeduh kopi jd makin pahit nanti :weekk:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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josomba wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:51 Nubi ikutan nimbrung...

Pagi ini mau coba iseng ngukur gap busi n iseng mau intip ruang bakar..

Handtool yg digunakan:
- American tools deep socket 14mm
- teteh kiro "Trelek"
- teteh kiro spark gap (gauge)
- borescope entah merk apa

Screenshot_20201031-094309_Gallery.jpg

Screenshot_20201031-094338_Gallery.jpg

Screenshot_20201031-094336_Gallery.jpg

2 busi 1mm peret, 2 sisanya 1mm tp agak loss.... Tak ketuk sikit biar jd 1mm peret juga.

Masup ke intip2 ruang bakar, ke piston 2 & 3. 1 n 4 lagi naik ke atas jd susah difoto :big_biglaugh:

20201031_0911028.png
20201031_0912030.png
Screenshot_20201031-094330_Gallery.jpg

Borescope tinggal culuk ke powerbank dan liat hasil pake hape. Koneksi pake wifi (borescope sebagai hotspotnya)

Demikian nubi sharing.
nah ini dia .... yg kaya gini seharusnya busi.

heat range; timing; AFR -- all good

dikasih bensin apa mbah? krn ini setting timing dr pabrik sedikit ke arah advance. kl dikasih yg bergizi bisa lebih ngacir mobilnya.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

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josomba wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:10
DOHC wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:00
Mobil apa mbah

Busi agak sdikit kotor ya, tp masi wajar seh
Kotor tp kering

Ga kaya yg honda jazz GK5 2019 yg odo belasan rebu tp ud ganti
Trekstang
Link stabil
Boot trekstang + oetikerclamps
Fanbelt
Ban michelin
Wiper 2x
Oli full amsoil
Tembak vet ke joint steer, steering rack ama cv joint pake amsoil

Tp busi nya foiled :big_weee:
Masdut mbah...

Ini juga joint di intermediate shaft kemaren pas dibuka mbah marmut, kita cuba gerak2in juga mulai gredeg gredeggg :big_biglaugh:

Itu gk5 ndak salah baru belasan rebu dah kena link stabil? Masa kalah ama DD4, di 60an rebu baru mulai kendor tp belom oblak banget sih.
trek stang sm link stabil ane ga rusak yee :big_weee:

itu msh disimpen bekasnya, buat serep. wkwkwkwk
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

Post by DOHC »

josomba wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:10
DOHC wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:00
Mobil apa mbah

Busi agak sdikit kotor ya, tp masi wajar seh
Kotor tp kering

Ga kaya yg honda jazz GK5 2019 yg odo belasan rebu tp ud ganti
Trekstang
Link stabil
Boot trekstang + oetikerclamps
Fanbelt
Ban michelin
Wiper 2x
Oli full amsoil
Tembak vet ke joint steer, steering rack ama cv joint pake amsoil

Tp busi nya foiled :big_weee:
Masdut mbah...

Ini juga joint di intermediate shaft kemaren pas dibuka mbah marmut, kita cuba gerak2in juga mulai gredeg gredeggg :big_biglaugh:

Itu gk5 ndak salah baru belasan rebu dah kena link stabil? Masa kalah ama DD4, di 60an rebu baru mulai kendor tp belom oblak banget sih.
Tau tuh ownernya si GK5 aneh

Busi aj ampe 2 kali ganti, atau 3 kali.. foiled mulu ampe basah item legam berbulu busi nya :big_weee:
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 03]

Post by DOHC »

Omnibus wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06
DOHC wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:19
Omnibus wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 16:55

kayanya ane ga boleh ngomong panjang2 mbah. harus dikit2 tp sering. kl engga pej nya ga ganti2 yakk

:upss:
Sebenernya cuman perlu post extension aj koq mbah

Lgs part 4 deh
penasaran yaaa ...... :mky_07:

ntar kl ane posting paling respon nya gitu doang abis itu move on. justru mbah nih yg jarang posting tools tambahan lagi. :big_think:
Belom ad nambah apa2 lg mbah

Trakir cuman nambah deep soket 10mm jtech, ama soket 32 merk terompet GmbH

Ini Mo ke glodok beli sbiji TW jarum buat dijadiin breaker bar ala mbah marmut, ama tw beneran aj blom sempet mulu

Btw yg musti dtagih mbah yanuarra tuh

Tools pesenan doi yg toptul ama teng tools 2 kontainer dah lama nyampe blom d riviu d marih
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir: