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Berawal dari ketidaktahuan.....

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Selamat malam suhu-suhu sekalian dan agan-agan SMers sekalian. Ijinkan saya membuat thread di hari buruh ini :mky_02: :mky_02:
Berawal dari ketidaktahuan dan kekepoan saya melihat truk tanker P*rtamina yang lewat di jalan pada tanggal merah ini, kurang lebih seperti pict ini.
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Kenapa ya itu ban ngangkat begitu? Ada yang tau?

Ohiya sekalian thread ini jadi sarana kekepoan dan keinginan tahuan liar agan-agan di sini berhubungan dengan otomotif kali kali aja ada yang tahu dan dapat membagikan ilmu ilmu karena menurut saya tidak ada pertanyaan yang bodoh :mky_08: :mky_08: :mky_08:

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Kalau yg saya tau dr orang tua saya sih itu kalau truknya muatan kosong bannya diangkat tapi kalau muatannya full baru bannya dituruin :big_childish:
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Biasanya rodanya diangkat karena muatannya lagi kosong.
Daripada mubazir 3 axle (6x2/6x4), mendingan salah satu axlenya diangkat (jadi 4x2/4x4).
Jadinya bisa buat ngirit ban sama ngirit bensin

Yang bisa ngangkat salah satu axle itu rata2 truk pabrikan eropa, dan pake air suspension (gak S-Class doang yang pake)
Contohnya:
- Mercedes Axor-nya Gudang Garam
- Truknya siba surya (Scania, Volvo FH, DAF, dll)
- Truknya Shell (kayaknya Scania/Axor tractor head)
- Truk Pertamina (MAN/Axor tractor head)

Scania lagi gak angkut trailer
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Axornya Gudang Garam
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michmichael wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 15:41 Kalau yg saya tau dr orang tua saya sih itu kalau truknya muatan kosong bannya diangkat tapi kalau muatannya full baru bannya dituruin :big_childish:
carl wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 15:47 Biasanya rodanya diangkat karena muatannya lagi kosong.
Daripada mubazir 3 axle (6x2/6x4), mendingan salah satu axlenya diangkat (jadi 4x2/4x4).
Jadinya bisa buat ngirit ban sama ngirit bensin

Yang bisa ngangkat salah satu axle itu rata2 truk pabrikan eropa
Contohnya:
- Mercedes Axor-nya Gudang Garam
- Truknya siba surya (Scania, Volvo FH, DAF, dll)
- Truknya Shell (kayaknya Scania/Axor tractor head)
- Truk Pertamina (MAN/Axor tractor head)
Ohhh gunanya itu toh :big_think: :big_think:
Soalnya sering liat berkali-kali dan tiap liat itu langsung gamau dibelakangnya/disampingnya takut ketiban karena ban nya ngangkat begitu :mky_01:
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Kayaknya berdasarkan beban ya om.

Btw, kalo ketemu kaya polisi tidur atau gundukan, ban yg lagi ke angkat itu dead lock atau bisa muter ya?

Kan ga lucu kalo tiba2 ngerem / ngesot di polisi tidur / gundukan. Hehehe..
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Axle yang bisa diangkat adalah non-driven, Remnya masih berfungsi, jadi kalau dalam kondisi tidak direm, bannya bisa berputar bebas.
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disini smua trucks dgn dual rear axle wajip bgitu .... sama spt dual rear axle buses yg paling blakang wajip 4ws ..... ikutan belok saat turning .... pas winter rear-end wheel pair biasa di pasang spiked tires spy engine brake lbh effectire saat downhill ..... kmarin dulu ... april 15 smua spiked tires seluruh EU kec iceland, upper finland, northern sweden n norway wajip di ganti dgn all season berdasarkan aturan european commission on mobility and transport

aturan rear axle bogie ada di regulations no. 111 UN/ECE on provisions concerning the approval of tank vehicles of categories N and O with regard to rollover stability, annex 4 sub 7.1

istilah sini .... liftable bogie
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Capek kali... diangkat satu hehehe... :mky_01:
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kalo di jalan lintas sumatra biar irit solar sekalian truk temen nya yg di naekin ke buntut trailer
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geofreyap wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 17:18 Kayaknya berdasarkan beban ya om.

Btw, kalo ketemu kaya polisi tidur atau gundukan, ban yg lagi ke angkat itu dead lock atau bisa muter ya?

Kan ga lucu kalo tiba2 ngerem / ngesot di polisi tidur / gundukan. Hehehe..
bisa ikut muter ini gan. kalo gk muter habis itu tapaknya nanti ke gasrut gundukan dll lol

yap bener.. kalo lagi full loaded ya dia ban turun semua. tapi kalo pas lagi kosong ini pasti diangkat sbg upaya ngirit cost ban dan bbm
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newrubble wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 17:53 disini smua trucks dgn dual rear axle wajip bgitu .... sama spt dual rear axle buses yg paling blakang wajip 4ws ..... ikutan belok saat turning .... pas winter rear-end wheel pair biasa di pasang spiked tires spy engine brake lbh effectire saat downhill ..... kmarin dulu ... april 15 smua spiked tires seluruh EU kec iceland, upper finland, northern sweden n norway wajip di ganti dgn all season berdasarkan aturan european commission on mobility and transport

aturan rear axle bogie ada di regulations no. 111 UN/ECE on provisions concerning the approval of tank vehicles of categories N and O with regard to rollover stability, annex 4 sub 7.1

istilah sini .... liftable bogie
Om NR , disana ada gak sih semacam kir begitu ? Berapa lama sekali ? Usia bis atau angkutan jalan lain dibatasi sampai berapa lama
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Nah baru tau saya.. saya kira itu ban serep :mky_01:
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Kalo saya baru kali ini liat um, maklum di daerah cuma liatnya cuma truck batu bara sama tronton yang roda nya banyak banget buat angkutan alat berat, heheheheh

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kalo disini biasa lihat MB axor nya GG
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Iya nih, kemarin pas mo kerja, liat bus gunung harta MB OC 500, dual axle n 4ws, pas puter balik dari pool di bulak kapal, ban belakangnya ikut belok, sepertinya sih contra steer,,
Kalo bus2 di sumatera sana sih dah dari dulu sepertinya yg dual axle
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pelopor twin rear axle contra turning ckd buses di indo ..... adiputro-neoplan (1994) .... 300 units exported ke turkey (LHD) 300 units (RHD) ke south africa (1995)

tdk ada yg u domestic market tapi dulu (1972) pt superior coach pernah ckd 1 unit mci-7 series (rhd) u hailai ancol transporter (1972-81) suka brenti di lapangan banteng n standplaat kp melayu angkut n turunin gamblers

ssdh itu sempat terliat di macau di theodor racing
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newrubble wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 10:02 pelopor twin rear axle contra turning ckd buses di indo ..... adiputro-neoplan (1994) .... 300 units exported ke turkey (LHD) 300 units (RHD) ke south africa (1995)

tdk ada yg u domestic market tapi dulu (1972) pt superior coach pernah ckd 1 unit mci-7 series (rhd) u hailai ancol transporter (1972-81) suka brenti di lapangan banteng n standplaat kp melayu angkut n turunin gamblers

ssdh itu sempat terliat di macau di theodor racing
Om NR mohon infonya. Sejarah adi putro itu gimana ya? Kok dia bisa bikin body bus yg sudah terstandar oleh mercedes, scania dan volvo. Dan sepertinya yg paling advanced diantara karoseri lainnya.

Apa bener yg mendirikan adi putro eks ingenieur GMM yg disekolahkan d jerman / org jerman? :ungg:
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haho wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 3:42 Nah baru tau saya.. saya kira itu ban serep :mky_01:
Sepemikiran sama ane oom. Thanks TS buat tritnya.
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bukan ..... mrk ex mahasiswa pampasan perang ...... istilah dulu ..... bea siswa devisa negara

internship di komunis jerman di gorlitz-waggenbau bikin gerbong kereta sleeping compartment

trus bgitu wajip militer klaar (pangkat kapten) mrk gabung ke pindad n intership di nippon-sharyo n abis itu outplacement di newmarwah1970 (di surabaya) krn newmarwah1970 dpt order ratusan mitsy colt t100 dgn slide door

jaman kramayudha berdiri mrk sempat kong sie di abc karoseri (magelang) abis itu ribut n 1973 bikin sendiri n ambil mitsy colt t120 halfcab sbg donor cars

mrk tetap maintained relationship dgn alumni alumni GW yg kabur ke jerman barat (1981-85) n kerja di berbagai coachbuilders n rajin ikut shortcourses
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newrubble wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 10:49 bukan ..... mrk ex mahasiswa pampasan perang ...... istilah dulu ..... bea siswa devisa negara

internship di komunis jerman di gorlitz-waggenbau bikin gerbong kereta sleeping compartment

trus bgitu wajip militer klaar (pangkat kapten) mrk gabung ke pindad n intership di nippon-sharyo n abis itu outplacement di newmarwah1970 (di surabaya) krn newmarwah1970 dpt order ratusan mitsy colt t100 dgn slide door

jaman kramayudha berdiri mrk sempat kong sie di abc karoseri (magelang) abis itu ribut n 1973 bikin sendiri n ambil mitsy colt t120 halfcab sbg donor cars

mrk tetap maintained relationship dgn alumni alumni GW yg kabur ke jerman barat (1981-85) n kerja di berbagai coachbuilders n rajin ikut shortcourses
:frm_salut: Enlightenment. Saya dukung om NR bikin buku tentang sejarah industri otomotif di Indonesia. Hehehe

*agak oot padahal bahas axle lift
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newrubble wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 10:49 bukan ..... mrk ex mahasiswa pampasan perang ...... istilah dulu ..... bea siswa devisa negara

internship di komunis jerman di gorlitz-waggenbau bikin gerbong kereta sleeping compartment

trus bgitu wajip militer klaar (pangkat kapten) mrk gabung ke pindad n intership di nippon-sharyo n abis itu outplacement di newmarwah1970 (di surabaya) krn newmarwah1970 dpt order ratusan mitsy colt t100 dgn slide door

jaman kramayudha berdiri mrk sempat kong sie di abc karoseri (magelang) abis itu ribut n 1973 bikin sendiri n ambil mitsy colt t120 halfcab sbg donor cars

mrk tetap maintained relationship dgn alumni alumni GW yg kabur ke jerman barat (1981-85) n kerja di berbagai coachbuilders n rajin ikut shortcourses
Mantap, sy malah br tau dr om NR.
Kirain ky perusahaan karoseri biasa, pantas aja produk buatan adiputro bagus dibandingkan karoseri lain..


Kalau ban yg ngangkat setau sy penjelasan sederhananya biar irit bbm jg ban(biasa d aktifkan kalau muatan kosong)
Jangan menghina kalau masih bisa di hina
Jangan merendahkan kalau masih bisa di rendahkan
Jangan sok kaya, kalau masih punya hutang
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Maaf double post.............
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Jangan menghina kalau masih bisa di hina
Jangan merendahkan kalau masih bisa di rendahkan
Jangan sok kaya, kalau masih punya hutang
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kalo bus 4ws gitu muterin roda belakang gimana ya,, kalo mekanis kan jauh banget sama roda depan. :big_think:
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satriakarisma wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 4:43 Iya nih, kemarin pas mo kerja, liat bus gunung harta MB OC 500, dual axle n 4ws, pas puter balik dari pool di bulak kapal, ban belakangnya ikut belok, sepertinya sih contra steer,,
Kalo bus2 di sumatera sana sih dah dari dulu sepertinya yg dual axle
itu seri MB 2542 OC 500 RF om. Gunung Harta punya triple axel 6 unit, 2 MB 4 Scania.
Kalo bus Sumatera udah banyak banget om. Tapi kebanyakan double decker om, spt sempati star, dll
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daftar wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 14:40 kalo bus 4ws gitu muterin roda belakang gimana ya,, kalo mekanis kan jauh banget sama roda depan. :big_think:
Dan yang belakang beloknya cuma 50% dari ban depan om, hehe