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indo herky fleet ("a" and "b" series) in trikora armed campaign ... tdk beli (dibayar oleh us govt. senilai usd 1 ... satu dollar ... per unit ... jgn pura pura tdk tau

itu under foreign military assistance (11 units ...6 for each) plus c-140 jetstar (1 unit) t-17845 christianed "irian" (last reg.in1997.08 was N88JM) ... jauh sblm "sapta-marga" dan "pantjasila" datang (1964)

smua political n military ally proposals dr timur dari barat "digantung sj" oleh soekarno** ... itu sebab bgt mudah indo dpt sophisticated lethal hardwares dr masing masing dg hanya dua options:

dapat murah ... atau
dapat gratis (barter dg political concessions spt ... release of alan pope)

dan indo wkt itu bebas sj pakai herky under 31th sqn. (pair with an-12 under 32th sqn.) dlm bipartite armed tensions ...

**itu golden key yg success di pakai soekarno (gagal di pelajari diktator suharto) belajar dr bgmn finland dpt dari negara sy n dari soviet pd saat bersamaan
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Aah, ok.. dibayar oleh us gov. ya.. Maaf saya juga kurang tahu kalau masalah ini..
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Balik jogja liat airshow malah ngeliat musibah t50 jatuh :big_cry:
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kalo sadar itu beli dr public fund n pilihan dari non battle proven ... hrsnya cari yg populasi sdh byk (bukan yg cuma 87 units total) n ... ini paling penting ... harga dibawah $ 21-30,000,000*

*ini harga t50 ge variants per unit ... lumayan kalo per unit bisa irit $ 4,000,000 kasih sy bisa bikin kuburan yg bagus u tentara n polisi
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Entah kapan indonesia bisa memiliki pemimpin seperti soekarno lgi , minimal yg jiwa patriotismenya mendekati beliau, di jamannya kita salah satu negara yg memiliki kekuatan militer terkuat di dunia dengan ratusan pespur mig series , puluhan kapal selam , dan sang maestro kapal penjelajah KRI irian , kapal canggih yg berhasil membuat belanda bertekuk menyerahkan irian kepada NKRI , tapi semuanya habis ketika sang firaun mengambil alih kekuasaan :big_dunno:
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Dulu klo ga salah inget t50 pepet2an sama yak130 waktu pengadaan, apa mungkin cuma karena kemiripan dengan f16 makanya t50 bisa kepilih? Baca2 di media online katanya dulu jg dapat tawaran buat upgrade jadi fa50 dan mungkin pelicin program kfx(?)
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ckck..
yup, technically banyak yg bilang yak jauh lbh unggul dari t50..

mana program KFX sekarang menggantung lagi?
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siputKW wrote:Dulu klo ga salah inget t50 pepet2an sama yak130 waktu pengadaan, apa mungkin cuma karena kemiripan dengan f16 makanya t50 bisa kepilih? Baca2 di media online katanya dulu jg dapat tawaran buat upgrade jadi fa50 dan mungkin pelicin program kfx(?)
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Masalah kfx , USA kabarnya gak mau ngasih teknologi ke korsel , jadi korsel skarang ngambek ngancam mau cabut dari program F-35 walaupun ada denda , tapi kelanjutannya kurang tau juga ane .
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tdk mgkn yak 130 lbh mahal drpd t50 family

$15,000,000 vs $21-30,000,000

(yakovlev-aermacchi designed) vs (kai korea)

100 vs 87 units

bangla airforce sj punya yak130 itu ada 16 plus xtra 10 in order ... spore ada 12 yg italian (alenia aermacchi m346) version

sy ada copy ckd offer dari aermacchi'-irkut ke iptn qq ptdi tapi indo tdk mau
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Yakovlev
Ilyushin
Antonov
Sukhoi..


Luph da rossiya style!

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tinggi accident rate korean planes ... woong bee kt 1b datang 7 th2003 dan 12 (order n delivery) th2006

sdh ilang (total loss) 3

per unit cost ... basic $ 7,000,000 plus $ 1,428,000 indo compliance modification kit

mahal u basic trainer-light fighter ground attack

apapun western made fighter indo ... armament sdh bisa di tebak ... a pair of old batch sidewinder ... ffar rocket .... twin dumb bomb mk82

lupakan max payload kalo isinya cuma bgini ...paling sibuk di pakai u fly pass show flight
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gpp la mikirn max payload

daripada "sorry" later on, lumayan kalo payload makin besar, bisa buat gotong tabung LPG 3kg makin banyak :mrgreen:

beli pesawat maa...apalagi pesawat tempur ya, banyak unsur politiknya..misalnya A vs B, B spek dan performa di lapangan lebih bagus dari A, tp negara dari si A ngelobi, ya si A yang kepilih....mungkin kalo beli pesawat kgk ada urusan politik...sayap delta dari prancis yang dibeli di era 80an-90an..
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ha ha ha...purchasing politic

itu yg sy tdk (mau) ngerti ...

cari yg full western loaded spy jika under embargo bisa cari solution

keep potential problem stay in for future solution

urusan bgini indo jago
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newrubble wrote:tinggi accident rate korean planes ... woong bee kt 1b datang 7 th2003 dan 12 (order n delivery) th2006

sdh ilang (total loss) 3

per unit cost ... basic $ 7,000,000 plus $ 1,428,000 indo compliance modification kit

mahal u basic trainer-light fighter ground attack

apapun western made fighter indo ... armament sdh bisa di tebak ... a pair of old batch sidewinder ... ffar rocket .... twin dumb bomb mk82

lupakan max payload kalo isinya cuma bgini ...paling sibuk di pakai u fly pass show flight
:mky_04: :mky_07: rudal kuno era 60s?
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aim9b (1965 production batch) ... p2 (1980) patrol version shorter fire range ... p4 (1989) patrol version digital infrared

datang 3 x ...

1973.04 (35 pair) 9b defense liaison pgm-2
1980.09 (32 pair) p2 operation peace alpha
1989.12 (20 pair) p4 operation peace bima
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newrubble wrote:aim9b (1965 production batch) ... p2 (1980) patrol version shorter fire range ... p4 (1989) patrol version digital infrared

datang 3 x ...

1973.04 (35 pair) 9b defense liaison pgm-2
1980.09 (32 pair) p2 operation peace alpha
1989.12 (20 pair) p4 operation peace bima
AIM-9B nya ... mungkin cuman bisa dipake untuk nembak cessna caravan asing yang melintas batas ya om ...

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A7Corsair wrote:
newrubble wrote:aim9b (1965 production batch) ... p2 (1980) patrol version shorter fire range ... p4 (1989) patrol version digital infrared

datang 3 x ...

1973.04 (35 pair) 9b defense liaison pgm-2
1980.09 (32 pair) p2 operation peace alpha
1989.12 (20 pair) p4 operation peace bima
AIM-9B nya ... mungkin cuman bisa dipake untuk nembak cessna caravan asing yang melintas batas ya om ...

:big_biglaugh:
IMO, berdasarkan yg saya dengar, aim tsb kadang2 dipake f16 buat latihan di lumajang sambil dropping bom jatuh buatan turen & dahana :wkkk: bayangin sukhoi pake bom ala b26/b25 yg pernah kita punya dulu
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ha ha ha ha ... kan civilians tdk byk yg tau ... yg byk mrk tau kan cuma ... dg bamburuncing belanda pd kabur (itu yg diajarkan dr sekolah sampai kuliah) ...apalagi mk82 dan ffar ... pasti kabur lbh jauh lg

politic ...

sama hebatnya indo pesan rm-oerlikon skyshield mk2 ... ini generasi terbaru ... tapi hanya beli duabelas units

mgkn krn minimum essential doctrine ... spy tetangga tdk kuatir (bhw gigi macan sdh tumbuh tapi cuma gigisusu)
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polarbear wrote:
A7Corsair wrote:
newrubble wrote:aim9b (1965 production batch) ... p2 (1980) patrol version shorter fire range ... p4 (1989) patrol version digital infrared

datang 3 x ...

1973.04 (35 pair) 9b defense liaison pgm-2
1980.09 (32 pair) p2 operation peace alpha
1989.12 (20 pair) p4 operation peace bima
AIM-9B nya ... mungkin cuman bisa dipake untuk nembak cessna caravan asing yang melintas batas ya om ...

:big_biglaugh:
IMO, berdasarkan yg saya dengar, aim tsb kadang2 dipake f16 buat latihan di lumajang sambil dropping bom jatuh buatan turen & dahana :wkkk: bayangin sukhoi pake bom ala b26/b25 yg pernah kita punya dulu
ini ya om ...

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pesawat canggih yang dicantelin tabung gas lpg ...
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zhonghua? nej
korea? ja

botsing? zeker ...
wharom? god

ada satu aron-m50 amphibious di surabaya .. katanya tdk mau tapi sdh ada ... bgt ditanya ... dijwb ... itu uji coba sj ... tapi sdh lbh setahun naik n turun

blm jatuh (lagi)
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yg sy tdk tau dr indo airdefense architecture adalah grand design ... hebat ya indo

US israel india sy n byk org bs baca tapi indo completely unreadable ...

selama ini hanya terliat fleet purchase tanpa tau u apa ... fly until phase out

joint development offer pernah bbrp x ada u iptn qq ptdi tapi didiamkan sj termasuk dr hindustan aeronautics

mrk jauh lbh experience drpd KAI korea yg baru td pagi bikin ... 1961 HA(ltd) sdh bikin HAL-hf24 marut fighterjet yg skrg jadi museum collection di jerman

hrsnya iptn ptdi co-producer tejan fighter yg meski engine 404 sama dg golden eagle yg rontok kmaren n juga fa18 ... tapi jauh lbh lincah

indo juga pernah dpt jont development dr ATK texas u ac208 combat caravan dg bvraam (sbg pengganti hellcat standard) n ini juga didiamkan sj

pdhl yg bgini byk di pakai di afghan sbg cost effective coin ... tdk perlu super tucano
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Setelah golden eagle di jogja, kini super tucano di malang. Kurang terus.. [emoji52]

R.I.P buat para korban.

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numpang ngeramein trit lagi, ahirnya a320neo (new engine option) udh terbang lg, yg jadi launch customernya Lufthansa

kapan citilink bisa lease tipe ini ya :mky_01:

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Ada apa dengan A320neo? Apa yang membuatnya menarik dan istimewa? Sy masih belum bisa bedakan dengan current A320 kecuali new engine PW1000G nya yg super silent~

Dikelas ini sebetulnya yg bikin "turn people head" adalah Comac C919 selain 737Max yang baru saja first flight..
Secara engine ketiganya sama-sama menggunakan seri LEAP dari CFMi dan boost A320 yang paling besar dikarenakan grossweight neo lbh berat dibanding kompetitornya... Kalau masalah kapan airline pesan, salah satu penyebab airline masih bertahan adalah FE dari current series masih menutup ongkos serta masih gain some perks supaya airline tetap jalan.. "Elite" airline pasti berlomba-lomba untuk menjadi launch customer, tapi kalau LCC hmm, sepertinya masih agak jauh untuk berpikiran kesana selama fleet yang sekarang masih sangat mumpuni~

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NYoman wrote:Ada apa dengan A320neo? Apa yang membuatnya menarik dan istimewa? Sy masih belum bisa bedakan dengan current A320 kecuali new engine PW1000G nya yg super silent~

Dikelas ini sebetulnya yg bikin "turn people head" adalah Comac C919 selain 737Max yang baru saja first flight..
Secara engine ketiganya sama-sama menggunakan seri LEAP dari CFMi dan boost A320 yang paling besar dikarenakan grossweight neo lbh berat dibanding kompetitornya... Kalau masalah kapan airline pesan, salah satu penyebab airline masih bertahan adalah FE dari current series masih menutup ongkos serta masih gain some perks supaya airline tetap jalan.. "Elite" airline pasti berlomba-lomba untuk menjadi launch customer, tapi kalau LCC hmm, sepertinya masih agak jauh untuk berpikiran kesana selama fleet yang sekarang masih sangat mumpuni~

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om nyoman, menarik nih c919 setau ane buatan cina, mungkin boeing n airbus bakal gerah bgt secara pasar terbesar mereka di cina ada saingan lokal (data terakhir udh 500 c919 dipesen), apalagi pilihan engine ada CFM yang mana boeing n airbus juga pake. CMIIW.

bisa jadi comac jadi kuda hitam bareng2 bombardier cseries, tp tampaknya msh jauh buat ngalahin a320 & 737 series

klo lessornya LCC udh punya knapa ngga sewa pesawat terbaru.
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