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yg paling semangat awasin laut itu somalian pirates ...... bgitu wang dah byk biasa nya mrk retire trus wang nya di pake u journey to europe n jadi asyl disini
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Medical Evacuation ala Marawi.
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Missile dan bom? Ya, AC-130 yg anda kenal sekarang sudah berubah menjadi pesawat strike sekaligus bomber.
solusi tangkas menangkal insurgent.

mestinya di marawi yg beginian turun tangan.
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newrubble wrote: 17 Aug 2017, 00:39 yg paling semangat awasin laut itu somalian pirates ...... bgitu wang dah byk biasa nya mrk retire trus wang nya di pake u journey to europe n jadi asyl disini
jadi para ex-pirates itu begitu sampai di eu, apply jadi assyl, di screen past and background nya? successful atau rejected om? menarik sekali rata2 pada pilih negara maju, ga ada yang mau ke negara miskin
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ex somali punya success ratio roughly across EU 88% (no effective govt protection against al-shabab) ...... ethiopian 23% (avoid inter-tribe clash) ..... eritrean 96% (avoid military conscription)

ex somali yg fail itu rata rata yg (jaman masih jadi pirates) punya bank account di EU (pake nominees), lebanon, labuan island)
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Mo tanya nih Om.. Kenapa kalo vessel yg ada sea guard personnel onboard (entah itu navy ato hired) somali pirate pada ga mau attack ya? Padahal onboard cuma 2 or 3 personnel with limited ammo. Pirate biasa kalo attack sampai hundreds man with unlimited ammo supply. Biasa vessel passing near somali water or off coast yemen hired sea guard untuk jaga kapal.
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ya jelas takut mrk krn pmc pake satellite targeting point ...... kalo udah locked mau kmana sj pasti kena

pmc biasa bawa satellite guided drone ........ erinys, garda-world, kapal kapal cruisers pake CRG .....

pake (sudanese copy) ak56 itu effective firing range paling cuma 25m ...... dulu ada somali nekat tembak pake rpg7 malah dia sendiri kena firing impact malah dia sendiri yg cebur laut n ahir nya mati tenggelam

pmc on-board in-ship deployment yg bayar itu insurance n udah satu paket
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Masih dipake rupannya sekalipun sudah tua.

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sebelumnya juga bobol gudang senjata malah nemu stg44. dijual ke kolektor lumayan tuh.

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pesawat tempur lokal ga ada yg bahas nih? yg lg digarap ma pt. di, tipe fx atau apa gitu... ada yg punya info? biasanya disini byk bocoran2...... :ngacir:

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Indonesia Beli 11 Sukhoi Su-35, Harganya 90 Juta Dollar AS Per Unit
Menteri Pertahanan Ryamizard Ryacudu mengatakan, awalnya pihak Rusia menawarkan harga 150 juta dollar AS untuk satu pesawat Sukhoi.
Setelah proses tawar menawar akhirnya disepakati harga 90 juta dollar AS per pesawat.
Ryamizard memastikan seluruh pesawat Sukhoi yang akan dibeli tersebut sudah lengkap dengan sistem persenjataannya.

"Yang kita beli ini 90 juta dollar AS, bisa dua-duanya, menembak dan mengebom, lengkap. Saya nawar sudah lama, buka harga 150 dollar AS, sekarang jadi 90 dollar AS," ujar Ryamizard saat memberikan keterangan pers di Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta Pusat, Selasa (22/8/2017).

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diskon bray..... speknya didiskon juga gak nih :lol:

hebat juga ryamizard bisa nego sama comrade sampe turun 60 juta dolar :big_biglaugh:
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biasa di tawar murah n ahir nya nawar murah ............... reciprocally understandable
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Lebih bagus mana sebenernya su35 ini dibanding f35 tanpa liat embel2 pro barat atau timur karena sepertinya orng di indonesia nunggu banget yaa..
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sbtulnya mau weaponry apapun dgn tech level brapapun yg paling penting adalah tiap service-person (military personal) dpt full authority n SOP yg jelas u disabling potential enemy/thread

nah di indo u sampai pd action to disable / preemptive .... tangan nya panjang skali ...... terlalu kuatir ada political impact n ahir nya target kburu kabur, atau malah di kasih u kabur

u military structure yg bginian sih f-7pg sdh cukup atau kalo mau kliatan modern ya beli sj jf-17 nigerian spec yg aluminized (jgn yg composite ya) lumayan itu murah usd 15,880,000 dapat tiga units trmsk combat set

toh 25 thn lg jadi tugu ...... tar kalo ada intruder ya sistem zhonghuan pilot sj ..... tabrak
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GpN wrote: 24 Aug 2017, 23:14 Lebih bagus mana sebenernya su35 ini dibanding f35 tanpa liat embel2 pro barat atau timur karena sepertinya orng di indonesia nunggu banget yaa..
yang paling masuk akal ya su35. beli pesawat dari usa bisa2 gak terbang tuh kalo negeri usa lagi ngambek
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newrubble wrote: 25 Aug 2017, 01:11 .....

nah di indo u sampai pd action to disable / preemptive .... tangan nya panjang skali ...... terlalu kuatir ada political impact n ahir nya target kburu kabur, atau malah di kasih u kabur

u military structure yg bginian sih f-7pg sdh cukup atau kalo mau kliatan modern ya beli sj jf-17 nigerian spec yg aluminized (jgn yg composite ya) lumayan itu murah usd 15,880,000 dapat tiga units trmsk combat set

toh 25 thn lg jadi tugu ...... tar kalo ada intruder ya sistem zhonghuan pilot sj ..... tabrak
waktu kejadian intercept hornet di atas laut jawa ... mungkin seperti ini ya om ... atau malahan memang takut ... :e-pray:

hehe ... kalo pake j7 .. kayak mundur ke taun 60an dunk om ...
jf17 boleh lah ... tapi apa bedanya yg aluminium sama komposit om ... bukannya kalo komposit jadi lebih ringan ? ato krn jadi mahal ?
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A7Corsair wrote: 25 Aug 2017, 08:42
waktu kejadian intercept hornet di atas laut jawa ... mungkin seperti ini ya om ... atau malahan memang takut ...

hehe ... kalo pake j7 .. kayak mundur ke taun 60an dunk om ...
jf17 boleh lah ... tapi apa bedanya yg aluminium sama komposit om ... bukannya kalo komposit jadi lebih ringan ? ato krn jadi mahal ?
mmg takut kan brani nya kalo sama civilian n apalagi kalo di jalanan
f7 bagus kok ..... tapi yg f7pg ..... atau .... mig21-lancer-C (in-depth modernized by israeli hands) smua sdh BVR n adayg pake engine set su27/30 ...... india juga tawarkan paket lbh murah meski sama sama paket israeli-set

u negara yg ragu ragu sy fikir cocok lah ..... mau di pake kamikaze juga pasti tdk rugi

jf-17 mmg di tawarkan cheap version pake aviation grade aluminum ..... kalo yg composite per unit nya usd 15,000,000 sampe usd 35,000,000 ..... tetap dpt byk kalo di banding beli su35 ......jeleknya cuma kalo mau di pake nembak zhonghuan illegal boats ya IFF ada identify mrk sbg 'friend' (bukan 'foe')
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newrubble wrote: 25 Aug 2017, 01:11
nah di indo u sampai pd action to disable / preemptive .... tangan nya panjang skali ...... terlalu kuatir ada political impact n ahir nya target kburu kabur, atau malah di kasih u kabur
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toh 25 thn lg jadi tugu ...... tar kalo ada intruder ya sistem zhonghuan pilot sj ..... tabrak
point 1, super trueeeeeeeee... intercept hornet diatas Bawean dulu juga telepon2annya lama sekali. dari identified di radar sampe pangkosekhahudnas perintahkan meluncur udah makan waktu sekian puluh menit. begitu sampe, saling jamming kalah, saling lock kalah juga. yaudah rocking wing. hopeless...

point 2, hahahahaha ini juga bener. life cycle beberapa pesawat yang di jadikan tugu sebenernya masih sisa beberapa ribu jam terbang lagi. tapi ibarat piara corolla corbet 1970 di tahun 2017. berat di spare part. jadilah tugu hiasan :D
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u COIN indo sbtulnya cukup klaas emb-super tucano, ac208 combat caravan ..... pesawat pesawat dgn maintenance n flying cost rendah n akan cukup lama u jadi tugu ...... asalkan kalo nanti ada brazilian drug smuggler jgn di tembak mati lg ya ...... kirim balik sj n

kalo ac203 kena embargo kan bisa beli parts di taiwan (langganan indo u beli parts herky dr jaman woto kendar jadi auri1 itu cnc aerospace, taia, chaheng, chung-hsin n beli essential fighterjet parts jaman east timor decolonization trmsk prolonging ejection seat cartridge life age)

kalo ac130 terlalu mahal u negara sekaya indo ..... kalo dgn single prop sj bs terbang buat apa quadro prop? toh insurgent n islo-radicalists di indo tdk punya missile / rocket launcher
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1 dari 3 kapal selam kemarin yang dipesan dari korsel datang. kabarnya 1 akan tetap di buat di korsel sedangkan 1 lagi akan di buat di pt pal
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Kalo buat kavaleri udara dan angkut pasukan indo mestinya beli Chinook tapi kenapa beli caracal ya?

Chinook bagus kok buat geser artileri dan pasukan dengan cepat di tempat yg gak kejangkau ama truk dan tank.
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Dekyarov wrote: 03 Sep 2017, 21:53 Kalo buat kavaleri udara dan angkut pasukan indo mestinya beli Chinook tapi kenapa beli caracal ya?

Chinook bagus kok buat geser artileri dan pasukan dengan cepat di tempat yg gak kejangkau ama truk dan tank.
mungkin supaya pilot puma/super puma yg ada skr ... cepet adaptasinya om ...

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y_anjasrana wrote: 23 Aug 2017, 08:21 pesawat tempur lokal ga ada yg bahas nih? yg lg digarap ma pt. di, tipe fx atau apa gitu... ada yg punya info? biasanya disini byk bocoran2...... :ngacir:

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Ikut berbagi info ya om, dulu dosen2 saya (tahun 2010-2013) banyak dikirim ke korsel sana buat ikut ngembangin IFX (joint venture pesawat tempur Indonesia-Korsel), saya dulu kuliah jurusan teknik penerbangan di kampus gajah bandung. Singkat cerita taun 2013 udah mulai pada pulang dosen2 saya, terus ga ada yang dikirim2 lagi. Ya isu yang beredar pas dulu di kalangan mahasiswa (beberapa ada yang nanya langsung ke dosennya sih memang), yaa lagi on-hold. Sampe terakhir saya ngecek taun lalu, ga ada lagi yang dikirim ke Korsel sana. Entah gimana deh nasib proyeknya tuh sekarang.
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soal pesawat tempur ternyata myanmar lebih kuat ya :lol:
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Dekyarov wrote: 03 Sep 2017, 21:53 Kalo buat kavaleri udara dan angkut pasukan indo mestinya beli Chinook tapi kenapa beli caracal ya?

Chinook bagus kok buat geser artileri dan pasukan dengan cepat di tempat yg gak kejangkau ama truk dan tank.
asiknya Chinook itu bisa water landing :emo-big_love:

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yaahh Chinook ama Caracal lebih baik saling melengkapi lah, seperti di paman SAM dimana Blackhawk/Huey/Venom saling melengkapi ama Chinook/Stallion/Osprey
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