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Karena kegemaran saya nonton film perang Hollywood, akhirnya bikin saya penasaran banget ingin mengetahui seluk beluk US military. Terutama film2 perang yg berdasarkan kisah nyata, seperti "Black hawk Down" & "Hurt Locker". Disitu ditunjukkan betapa hebatnya pasukan US army dalam keterlibatannya dalam berbagai perang. Terlepas dr permasalahan benar tidak nya, atau penyimpangan2 yg ada dalam perang saya ingin membuka diskusi mengenai segala hal yg berhubungan dgn military / war, terutama United States Armed Forces.
Karena ini merupakaan forum otomotif, maka saya mulai dgn salah satu kendaraan tempur terkenal US yg dikenal dgn nama High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV atau Humvee). Mungkin rekan2 ada yg bisa share mengenai kemampuan mobil tempur ini, karena saya lihat mobil ini paling sering muncul di film2 perang Amrik.

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gw juga doyan beginian nih... tapi ga seberapa ngerti beginian... but honestly... all about military is cool :big_smoking:

*menunggu referensi dari sesepuh yg ngerti dah....* :ungg:
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TRID YANG MANTAAAAAAAAAAFFFF....

Sukaan ane nih! Makanan ane. Demen semua yang berbau Amrik, tentara Amrik, plus tunggangan2 mreka. Dari jaman Willys MB dan Ford GPW, MC aka M38, MD aka M38A1, M151 Series MUTT aka 'Utility, sampe M998 aka HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle).

Nyumbang poto Humvee di Indo, asli bukan replika, feature di majalah Jip Agustus 2010, JAMIN GAK REPOST 'coz ini dari email ownernya langsung, kenalan saya. Pinjem y fotonya, om SS....

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Bombardir tridnya.... :big_peace:

Humvee baru tipe base, M1097A2
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Spesifikasi dasar

Engine : GEP 6500 V8, naturally aspirated diesel engine

Horsepower Max. Net : 160 @ 3,400 RPM

Torque Max. Net : 290 lb.-ft (393 N•m) @1,700 RPM

Governor Type : Integral built-in injection pump

Displacement : 400 cu. in.

Bore & Stroke : 4.06 x 3.82 in. (10.3 x 9.7 cm)

Compression Ratio : 21.5:1

Fuel Capacity : 25 gal. (94 L)

Transmission : 4-speed automatic, maximum input torque rating of 451 lb.-ft (612 N•m), electronically controlled

Gear ratios : 1st-2.48:1 ; 2nd-1.48:1 ; 3rd-1.0:1 ; 4th-0.75:1 ; Reverse-2.08:1

Torque converter ratio : 2.1:1

Transfer Case : Gear ratio: Low-2.72:1; High-1:1

Axles : Hypoid, ratio of 2.73:1. Continuous torque rating 1,600 lb.-ft. (2,169 N•m)

Geared Hubs : Gear ratio: 1.92:1

Frame : Steel box section with 5 crossmembers

Electrical : 14/28 volt waterproof; 200 amp alternator

Steering : Power assisted with a variable ratio of 13/16:1

Differential : Torque biasing

Brakes : Hydraulically actuated, four wheel inboard mounted power disc with dual reservoir master cylinder

Suspension : Independent double A-frame with open end coil springs and hydraulic shock absorbers

GVW : 10,300 lb.

Width : 86 in. (2.18 m) (with mirrors folded)

Ground Clearance : 17 in. (0.0.43 m)

Wheelbase : 130 in. (3.30 m)

Track Width : 71.6 in (1.82 m)

Maximum Speed : 70 mph (113 kph)

Grade Capability : 40%*

Run Flat Capability : 30 miles @ 30 mph (48 km @ 48 kph)

Side Slope Capability : 30%*

Cargo Bed Height : 37.0 in. (0.94 m)

Turning Radius : 25 ft. (7.62 m)

Deep Water Fording : 30 in. (0.76 m), 60 in. (1.52 m) with kit

Approach Angle : 54º

Departure Angle : 38º
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Mantafff jg foto & info nya om NS.
Sebenernya seberapa kuat lapisan baja dr humvee ini? Saya lihat dikedua film based on true story ini, humvee memiliki kemampuan menahan tembakan sejata berat, kecuali sekelas bazooka atau RPG.
Apakah kendaraan mcm humvee ini jg diperjual belikan untuk umum? Kalo misal saja dijual, kira2 berapa ya hrg humvee ini? Apakah seharga hummer? :mrgreen:
Wah saya jg banyak bgt pertanyaan yg ingin diutarakan mengenai hal2 berbau military & war. Termasuk perlengkapan yg digunakan, susunan pasukan tempur Amrik, mobil tempur yg dimiliki, dll. Siapa yah yg mungkin bisa share.. :ungg:
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:big_slap:

- Kalo bazooka ato RPG y tewaslah si Humvee hehehe.. Ada versi yang bener2 armored tapi jadi berat banget.

- Gak diperjual-belikan untuk umum, pastinya. Kalo mau ente dateng ke tempat ini dan beli ketengan hehehe.... Bawa ke Indo sepotong2, hollllla, jadilah Humvee beneran, seperti yang dilakukan kenalan ane di atas.

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- Perlengkapan yang digunakan? Saya gak ngedalemin. Cuma, berhubung pernah jadi kolektor arloji, saya fokus di arloji yang pernah jadi 'official issued' nya buat US Army, yaitu brand Hamilton dan Stocker and Yale (Sandy).

- Soal2 yang lain, misalnya ranpur lain, saya juga gak ngedalemin. karena tertariknya dari angkatan perang USA cuman di jip2nya, terutama paling awal yaitu Willys MB dan paling akir yaitu si Humvee ini. Gak terlalu doyan tank/pesawat tempur/carrier.
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Hooo...ternyata dgn begitu besar kapasitas mesin tp max speed cmn 113kph. Ini bnr2 mesin perang yg mengutamakan torsi kelas berat.
Mo tny hal agak konyol, untuk ban mereka menggunakan tekhnologi apa ya agar bisa kuat? Gak lucu kan mbl sekuat tank tiba2 ban gembos gara2 ngelindas paku ato benda tajam lainnya, di medan perang. :mrgreen:
Trz FC nya gmn yah?
Hehehehe..pgn tau banyak, syg gak ada mantan US army disini. hehehehe..
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keren abizzz :off_good_job:
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BADAK wrote:Hooo...ternyata dgn begitu besar kapasitas mesin tp max speed cmn 113kph. Ini bnr2 mesin perang yg mengutamakan torsi kelas berat.
Mo tny hal agak konyol, untuk ban mereka menggunakan tekhnologi apa ya agar bisa kuat? Gak lucu kan mbl sekuat tank tiba2 ban gembos gara2 ngelindas paku ato benda tajam lainnya, di medan perang. :mrgreen:
Trz FC nya gmn yah?
Hehehehe..pgn tau banyak, syg gak ada mantan US army disini. hehehehe..
pake teknologi run-flat khusus (armored run flat tyre)

ini ada perusahaan yg spesialis custom mobil biasa jadi armored vehicle (meski bukan untuk militer sih)
http://www.armormax.com/index.htm

ayo...siapa yg mobilnya mo di-custom jadi bullet proof/armored? :ungg:
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Wah keren abisss ini mbl. Semua material dibuat sekuat tank. Pantes waktu diberondong peluru yg didalem Humvee tenang2 aja. Kalo gak salah Hummer yg dijual untuk komersil diinspirasi dr Humvee ini. Apakah Hummer sedikit banyak jg mengadopsi kekuatan Humvee?

@imsus2c: Nice info bro.. Kyk nya saya dulu sering liat Hummer wrn putih di Sby..
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Pan pernah ada acara di disovery atau natgeo gitu....jadi critanya plat humvee memang khusus bisa menahan peluru sampai kaliber tertentu....yang sekarang katanya malah bisa nahan RPG serta ada alat tambahan yg bisa mendeteksi secara akurat drmn dipelor sniper...cmiiw....
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Mods Imsus bener. nambahin, spek resmi ban Humvee dari web pabrikannya:

Tires: 37 x 12.5 R16.5 LT load range "D" Radial with low profile runflat device.

Yang ane sering liat sih pake Goodyear MTR.
Ada yang aneh ama ukuran di atas? Yup. Velgnya 16.5 hehehe.... Agar bannya gak bisa dipake di mobil2 produksi umum.. Dasar.. :big_weee:
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Semua teknologi safety di HMMWV di ambil dan di aplikasikan ke Paramount Marauder, yang katanya kendaraan militer terkuat sekarang... Bahkan di tembak tank pun bajanya hanya tergores... Bener gak itu master NG?
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BADAK wrote:Wah keren abisss ini mbl. Semua material dibuat sekuat tank. Pantes waktu diberondong peluru yg didalem Humvee tenang2 aja. Kalo gak salah Hummer yg dijual untuk komersil diinspirasi dr Humvee ini. Apakah Hummer sedikit banyak jg mengadopsi kekuatan Humvee?

@imsus2c: Nice info bro.. Kyk nya saya dulu sering liat Hummer wrn putih di Sby..
Humvee sipil = Hummer H1. Yup, basically strukturnya sama namun tentu banyak juga bedanya. Yang pasti interior nyaman hehehe....

Yang H2 apalagi H3 (Malinda Dee :big_weee: ), wah, uda ilang bau Humveenya, IMO.

ZombiEE wrote:Pan pernah ada acara di disovery atau natgeo gitu....jadi critanya plat humvee memang khusus bisa menahan peluru sampai kaliber tertentu....yang sekarang katanya malah bisa nahan RPG serta ada alat tambahan yg bisa mendeteksi secara akurat drmn dipelor sniper...cmiiw....
Yup..

Yang sekarang udah lebih mending ngadepin RPG itu basisnya dari Humvee M1113, dan kode designasinya jadi M1114. Namun, karena kebutuhan di lapangan udah mendesak sedangkan unit M1114 terbatas, maka AD USA memperlengkapi si Humvee base M998 (yang berbodi ringkih itu) dengan 'ASK ' alias Armor Survivability Kits' bikinan kontraktor luar, O'Gara Hess dan Eisenhardt.

Note: Tetap tidak kebal RPG.
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AD74YA wrote:Semua teknologi safety di HMMWV di ambil dan di aplikasikan ke Paramount Marauder, yang katanya kendaraan militer terkuat sekarang... Bahkan di tembak tank pun bajanya hanya tergores... Bener gak itu master NG?
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Wathauw..

Swer gak ngikutin soal Marauder, mods. Ane udah keteteran blajar mendalam Jeep, Harley, Humvee, musclecars, Chevy pikap. Plus 1 Jerman: Mercedes. Bener2 udah gak tersisa lagi space buat blajar mobil2 laen hehehehe.... :)
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BADAK wrote: @imsus2c: Nice info bro.. Kyk nya saya dulu sering liat Hummer wrn putih di Sby..
kalo saya beberapa kali lihat warna hitam tuh...berarti yg beredar di surabaya lumayan juga yah :ungg:
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H1, H2, ato H3, mods?

Kalo Humvee ASLI ada di Dharmahusada, di rumahnya anaknya Jenderal R. Hartono, saya liat sendiri. Pagernya kan pendek, bolong2, Parkiran sebelahan ama jip Ford MUTT Utilitynya. MUTT masih ada sampe beberapa bulan lalu saya jenguk, Humvee uda terbang. KONON diambil om BH, ex chairman HDCI Surabaya. :)

Anaknya yang 2-3 taun lalu dipenjara gara2 nyekap anak buahnya (SPBU), inget?
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Nightster Guy wrote:H1, H2, ato H3, mods?

Kalo Humvee ASLI ada di Dharmahusada, di rumahnya anaknya Jenderal R. Hartono, saya liat sendiri. Pagernya kan pendek, bolong2, Parkiran sebelahan ama jip Ford MUTT Utilitynya. MUTT masih ada sampe beberapa bulan lalu saya jenguk, Humvee uda terbang. KONON diambil om BH, ex chairman HDCI Surabaya. :)

Anaknya yang 2-3 taun lalu dipenjara gara2 nyekap anak buahnya (SPBU), inget?
waduh, tipenya ga terlalu perhatiin...secara papasan berlawanan (seringnya ngelihat di mayjend sungkono)
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btw...sering juga lihatin KIA Camo-nya marinir...

lumayan juga, model2 klasik kayak jeep cj gitu...

kira2 ada yg dijual umum/sipil ga yah?
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imsus2c wrote:btw...sering juga lihatin KIA Camo-nya marinir...

lumayan juga, model2 klasik kayak jeep cj gitu...

kira2 ada yg dijual umum/sipil ga yah?
Hehehe..

Ane kan customer banyak daerah Gedangan/Sidoarjo, pabrik2, jadi sering lewat markas Marinir yang di Gedangan, sering liat si KIA ini. Tipenya RETONA, mods.... Disel.
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Nightster Guy wrote:
imsus2c wrote:btw...sering juga lihatin KIA Camo-nya marinir...

lumayan juga, model2 klasik kayak jeep cj gitu...

kira2 ada yg dijual umum/sipil ga yah?
Hehehe..

Ane kan customer banyak daerah Gedangan/Sidoarjo, pabrik2, jadi sering lewat markas Marinir yang di Gedangan, sering liat si KIA ini. Tipenya RETONA, mods.... Disel.
ouw...diesel yah? saya kira bensin..
secara belum pernah lihat kia ini ngebul saat jalan :ungg:
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Sorry2..

Kok Retona sih. Retona versi sipil, hardtop. Yang versi marinir ini KIA tipe KM 420. Datanya banyak di web. Disel.
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Btw...ini mgkn pertanyaan agak pribadi...cuman ane penasaran....uwkwkwkw so I'll ask it eniwei.....oom NG...apa sih yang men-drive hobbi oom dgn sgala kendaraan dan arloji militer?‎​‎​Ђεђεђε :D Ђεђεђε™ sounds silly...tp tetep pengen tau:D
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Benang merahnya antara arloji militer > kendaraan militer (USA) > sgala brand USA dan tipe2nya yang saya gemarin? Cuma 1: IMAGENYA MACHO.. :frm_tumbleft: As simple as that. Saya suka segala sesuatu barang yang berkonotasi 'macho'. Gak suka merk yang berkesan lembut. Kayak image sebuah pabrikan Jepang yang paling saya 'hujat' huahahahaha....
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Cukup simpel ya bang....tp bisa dimengerti sih...uwkwkkww
Kok cuman amrik bang btw?setau ane inggris dan Jerman juga cckp populer pernak pernik militernya?heehehe