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ginting wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:42
newrubble wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 16:24 di jln raya bogor km.38 ada bekas missile base auri dulu jaman sy kecil kadang sy ksana n sy blajar itung ya itung units yg ada di sono ada 6 n antara 1972-78 masih kadang rotating n up-n-down ...... locking device n coding dipegang bule bule dr US airforce attache office

sy jaman itu kasian liat indo jadi big-banana republic ..... mgkn ini yg artinya sovereignty 'harga-mati' (fixed price)
oom NR, ini maksudnya di Jalan Radar AURI ya ?
Skrg masih ada gak ya ?
bukan yg di pangkalan roket (namanya dulu bgitu spt hal dulu bilang 'jet' itu 'pancar gas') ...... yg di pangkalan roket di cibubur dulu husus mobile firing missile dgn gaz63 semi-trailer (yg sbtul nya itu zil-157) ada 15 units itu n ini trmsk paket yg hibah ke pakistan (operasi pakis-2) 1967 ..... asli nya ada 17 units tapi dua di pasang 'portable' (anggap sj bgt) di ri-irian

kalo yg di cibinong itu outer jakarta defense system ..... sama spt yg di klapa nunggal dkt gunung putri tapi yg di klapa nunggal cuma firing point (ada 2 units di situ dgn multi band remote control yg ada di cibinong) ..... di cikarang yg abis itu jadi csm-terrestrial center dulu juga di pasang dua units n nasip nya juga sama sbg firing point ..... bgitu juga yg dekat bina-ria
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btw ...... pesawat 'bikinan' indo (di mata org org awam spt sy ya) punya cost per component jauh lbh mahal drpd ex russia jaman skrg (due to high dependency on imports n product royalty)

pesawat ex indo (1992) seharga taxi
pesawat ex russia (2017) seharga karet n kopi
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Indo kenapa dulu gak beli f4 phantom ya?

Malah milih a4 skyhawk.
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a4 was an attack aircraft with low downtime n built as bomber with simple delta wing pair .... easy to maintain n modify ..... phantom vs mig21 had 21:1 kill ratio in favour to mig21
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ginting wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:42
newrubble wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2017 16:24 di jln raya bogor km.38 ada bekas missile base auri dulu jaman sy kecil kadang sy ksana n sy blajar itung ya itung units yg ada di sono ada 6 n antara 1972-78 masih kadang rotating n up-n-down ...... locking device n coding dipegang bule bule dr US airforce attache office

sy jaman itu kasian liat indo jadi big-banana republic ..... mgkn ini yg artinya sovereignty 'harga-mati' (fixed price)
oom NR, ini maksudnya di Jalan Radar AURI ya ?
Skrg masih ada gak ya ?
sy tinggal d sekitaran jln radar auri....dan komplek militer d sini bener2 g ada sangar2nya :D. lapangan radar auri skrg justru disewakan jdi pasar penampungan sementara
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ya bgitulah barang barang mahal n (jaman itu ) lethally advanced di tgn putra putri yg selalu underskilled ....... dapat nya susah susah ...... kalo ga crashed ya granted away to other countries or scrapped off .... back up radar system area (pdk ranggon) malah di jadikan kuburan terbesar asean ...... pdhl flat surface nya bagus u satellite beaming n dulu pdk ranggon masuk dlm project roket kartika n dibarkan forestry zone u high altitude aerial camouflage
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newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 18:38 a4 was an attack aircraft with low downtime n built as bomber with simple delta wing pair .... easy to maintain n modify ..... phantom vs mig21 had 21:1 kill ratio in favour to mig21
sering nonton dogfights di yutub ... inget robin olds ...fighter ace dari perang dunia 2 sampe perang vietnam dgn F-4 nya ...
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A7Corsair wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:45
newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2017 18:38 a4 was an attack aircraft with low downtime n built as bomber with simple delta wing pair .... easy to maintain n modify ..... phantom vs mig21 had 21:1 kill ratio in favour to mig21
sering nonton dogfights di yutub ... inget robin olds ...fighter ace dari perang dunia 2 sampe perang vietnam dgn F-4 nya ...
Wkwkw itu dogfight yg di u tube berat sebelah lebih memihak us and alliesnya wkwkwk
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u indo yg sampe skrg cash strapped state ..... lbh baik pilih pswt yg punya variant aircraft carrier capable ..... multi reinforcement on structure (both wing set n hull) krn landing di carrier itu rough landing .... hard (sling catch) braking ..... high humidity n low on down time (AoG) ..... friendly to hostile surroundings

kalo mau beli bekas (bekas rongsokan) ya ex marines / wild-desert fleet
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Kalo ngeliat wilayah indo yg lautnya luas. Mesti punya maritime patrol aircraft kayak p3 Orion (tapi udah tua) atau p8 Poseidon (yg ini masih baru).


Tentengan dari pesawat ini lumayan bisa bikin penyusup sakit gigi.
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Siap86 wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 13:23
Wkwkw itu dogfight yg di u tube berat sebelah lebih memihak us and alliesnya wkwkwk
nara sumber-nya mungkin cuman dari USAF sama IAF kali oom ...

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newrubble wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 19:38 u indo yg sampe skrg cash strapped state ..... lbh baik pilih pswt yg punya variant aircraft carrier capable ..... multi reinforcement on structure (both wing set n hull) krn landing di carrier itu rough landing .... hard (sling catch) braking ..... high humidity n low on down time (AoG) ..... friendly to hostile surroundings

kalo mau beli bekas (bekas rongsokan) ya ex marines / wild-desert fleet
jadii ... harusnya calonnya super hornet dunk oom ?

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Dekyarov wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 19:47 Kalo ngeliat wilayah indo yg lautnya luas. Mesti punya maritime patrol aircraft kayak p3 Orion (tapi udah tua) atau p8 Poseidon (yg ini masih baru).


Tentengan dari pesawat ini lumayan bisa bikin penyusup sakit gigi.
kalo saya lebih ke arah kapal perang dibanding pesawat di negara ini, seperti kri klewang (kapal cepat dan stealth). sayang udah terbakar duluan sebelum beraksi
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iran punya 6 p3b orion yg (after modernized by russian tantk) skrg jadi p3f ......

mrk masih ada 4 units il76 candid (plane with rotordome) ssdh 1 unit crashed 2009 (yg ini ex-iraq) .....

selain 8 units ir-an140mp yg pernah grounded 2014-2015
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A7Corsair wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:53

jadii ... harusnya calonnya super hornet dunk oom ?
tdk juga.....yg 40% lbh murah kan ada su25sm3 atau yg modern sukhoi family skrg sdh benar itu ...... kan yg punya indo sdh naval-ised spec ...... apalagi 2 units sdh xtra reinforced by belarusian contractors

business dgn belarus sbnr nya enak .... mrk punya access to current russian tech, negara sama melarat dgn indo (byk overstayers ex mrk disini cari kerja), currency lbh lemah dr rupiah

mrk mau itu barter sama kopi, karet n kayu ex illegal loggings (selama ini malay yg supply mrk) tapi kalo india mau barter sama cabe
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newrubble wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:59 iran punya 6 p3b orion yg (after modernized by russian tantk) skrg jadi p3f ......

mrk masih ada 4 units il76 candid (plane with rotordome) ssdh 1 unit crashed 2009 (yg ini ex-iraq) .....

selain 8 units ir-an140mp yg pernah grounded 2014-2015
iya om padahal lautnya iran cuma selebar "waduk pluit" aja punya masa indo gak ngelirik.

:mky_03:

Iranian p3 orion :

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iwing wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:56
Dekyarov wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 19:47 Kalo ngeliat wilayah indo yg lautnya luas. Mesti punya maritime patrol aircraft kayak p3 Orion (tapi udah tua) atau p8 Poseidon (yg ini masih baru).


Tentengan dari pesawat ini lumayan bisa bikin penyusup sakit gigi.
kalo saya lebih ke arah kapal perang dibanding pesawat di negara ini, seperti kri klewang (kapal cepat dan stealth). sayang udah terbakar duluan sebelum beraksi
pesawat perlu om buat penanggulangan cepat.

orion bisa bawa segambreng sensor magnetik, pelampung sonar, bom laut, rudal harpoon (80 km)

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newrubble wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:08 tdk juga.....yg 40% lbh murah kan ada su25sm3 atau yg modern sukhoi family skrg sdh benar itu ...... kan yg punya indo sdh naval-ised spec ...... apalagi 2 units sdh xtra reinforced by belarusian contractors

business dgn belarus sbnr nya enak .... mrk punya access to current russian tech, negara sama melarat dgn indo (byk overstayers ex mrk disini cari kerja), currency lbh lemah dr rupiah

mrk mau itu barter sama kopi, karet n kayu ex illegal loggings (selama ini malay yg supply mrk) tapi kalo india mau barter sama cabe
untuk pesanan su-35 nya udah pasti ya om ... ?
kalo gak salah ... saab kan kemaren gencar jg nawarin grippen ... sampe masang iklan bolak balik di angkasa ...
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Dekyarov wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:43
iwing wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:56
Dekyarov wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 19:47 Kalo ngeliat wilayah indo yg lautnya luas. Mesti punya maritime patrol aircraft kayak p3 Orion (tapi udah tua) atau p8 Poseidon (yg ini masih baru).


Tentengan dari pesawat ini lumayan bisa bikin penyusup sakit gigi.
kalo saya lebih ke arah kapal perang dibanding pesawat di negara ini, seperti kri klewang (kapal cepat dan stealth). sayang udah terbakar duluan sebelum beraksi
pesawat perlu om buat penanggulangan cepat.

orion bisa bawa segambreng sensor magnetik, pelampung sonar, bom laut, rudal harpoon (80 km)

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pesawat itu kebutuhan nya hanya untuk hal2 spesifik saja, sedangkan kapal perang lebih general. jika dihubungkan dengan negara ini yang mayoritas lautan, jadi ya kebutuhan laut nya yang harus diutamakan imho. btw kapal bisa membawa jauh lebih banyak bom dan bisa sekian lama kondisi stand by di lautan. apalagi jika diperkuat kapal selam dengan kemampuan stealth juga ditambah membawa bom hulu ledak nuklir. keren lah ehehhehehe
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saab grippen mmg low operational cost n long lasting tapi single engine n f404/414-rm12 power plant adalah dua weakness dia u dimiliki negara yg cepat / lambat dijalankan oleh radicalists

tejas sama sj n kalo jf17 meski halal tapi kuatir nya pas mau targeting zhonghuan illegal fishing boat ..... tiba tiba macet / immobilized
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hahaha MPA ntar ada yang "protes" kalo kita dapet barang bagus hahaha, pengen juga sih liat TNI-AL punya 2-4 squadron P-3 Orion/P-8 Poseidon..tp lucu sih kalo punya 4 squadron CN235 yang bisa pasang Exocet asal sayapnya kuat aja nahan getaran hahaha

pesawat ama kapal tu perlu keduanya, yang satu butuh untuk Quick Reaction, yang satu bisa buat patroli dalam jangka waktu agak lama/bisa standby di laut/pulau kosong

atau ini aja ya ? buat lucu2an

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Saab Grippen..pengennya itu sih buat gantiin Tiger hahaha, sayang ToT nya susah ya ama mereka, ada komponen dimana yang buat gak mau itu di ToT..padahal lucu tuh buat deployment di jalan raya hahaha

btw denger2 tu duo Flanker yang ke Belarusia bahasa rusia nya belom hilang ya dari kokpit ? alias kesana cuma "perawatan besar" saja..2701, 2702, 3001, 3002..asik sih kalo semua disamain ama saudaranya yang SKM dan MK2 hahaha
tejas sama sj n kalo jf17 meski halal tapi kuatir nya pas mau targeting zhonghuan illegal fishing boat ..... tiba tiba macet / immobilized
LOL, somehow i like this part hahaha
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tomcat amriki jaman dulu juga IFF selalu read 'friend' (bukan 'foe') kalo mau coba engage / lock tomcat iran .............
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kalo c235 sdh ada light gunship yg ditawarkan atk-king abdullah design n dev.bureau lengkap dgn weaponset yg mrk taruh di hardpoint separate sub wing dgn hellcat sbg bonus (ini turnkey project a.k.a trima beres)

jordan sdh pake trmsk yg c295 version n bagus u tembakin fishing boat n illegal loggers
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haristk7 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:56 hahaha MPA ntar ada yang "protes" kalo kita dapet barang bagus hahaha, pengen juga sih liat TNI-AL punya 2-4 squadron P-3 Orion/P-8 Poseidon..

pesawat ama kapal tu perlu keduanya, yang satu butuh untuk Quick Reaction, yang satu bisa buat patroli dalam jangka waktu agak lama/bisa standby di laut/pulau kosong

atau ini aja ya ? buat lucu2an

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Sekarang kayaknya pake pesawat amfibi udah usang jarang banget dipake.

Pesawat amfibi sekarang lebih cocok dipakai ama Basarnas. Buat SAR atau bencana alam.

Macam beriev be200.

Dulu indo kan punya pesawat Catalina.
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Saab swordfish gimana tuh ? Bagus tidak ?

Buat ngawasin laut dan pulau di indo