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Deng Xiaoping ini yg terkenal dengan gang of four, mereformasi China supaya bisa bersaing dengan negara lain.
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newrubble wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2017 17:33 sy kalo alm ayah mau k solo bawa mobil (mobil nya naik herky) sengaja turun di iswahjudi bukan di panasan atau di maguwo

krn sy suka jalan jalan di depot15 yg pernah jadi parts warehouse terbesar dunia selain yg di soviet n sanggup bikin pesawat ..... smua komplit (jaman itu) sampai di hibah smua ke amriki jaman diktator bodoh
Ngomong2 depot15 ini bisa buat pesawat seperti apa? Mig17?

Ada sumber referensi Om?
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Dekyarov wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:13
newrubble wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2017 17:33 sy kalo alm ayah mau k solo bawa mobil (mobil nya naik herky) sengaja turun di iswahjudi bukan di panasan atau di maguwo

krn sy suka jalan jalan di depot15 yg pernah jadi parts warehouse terbesar dunia selain yg di soviet n sanggup bikin pesawat ..... smua komplit (jaman itu) sampai di hibah smua ke amriki jaman diktator bodoh
Ngomong2 depot15 ini bisa buat pesawat seperti apa? Mig17?

Ada sumber referensi Om?
ah jij tanya smua yg wamil dari lichting 1959 sampe 1970 atau aau medio itu pasti pd hafal itu ..... dari mig15, 17, 21, an12 sampai tu16 ada compleet trmsk disassembled luchtframe n spare engines ..... kalo il28 (32 units) sdh pindah kenjeran thn 1967

mig-19 di hibah ke pakistan (operasi pakis, 1965.09.15)

jadi kalo org org nya firaun jawa pernah bilang smua ex-eastern bloc planes itu early decommissioned due to lacking of spareparts itu bohong
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newrubble wrote:
Dekyarov wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:13
newrubble wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2017 17:33 sy kalo alm ayah mau k solo bawa mobil (mobil nya naik herky) sengaja turun di iswahjudi bukan di panasan atau di maguwo

krn sy suka jalan jalan di depot15 yg pernah jadi parts warehouse terbesar dunia selain yg di soviet n sanggup bikin pesawat ..... smua komplit (jaman itu) sampai di hibah smua ke amriki jaman diktator bodoh
Ngomong2 depot15 ini bisa buat pesawat seperti apa? Mig17?

Ada sumber referensi Om?
ah jij tanya smua yg wamil dari lichting 1959 sampe 1970 atau aau medio itu pasti pd hafal itu ..... dari mig15, 17, 21, an12 sampai tu16 ada compleet trmsk disassembled luchtframe n spare engines ..... kalo il28 (32 units) sdh pindah kenjeran thn 1967

mig-19 di hibah ke pakistan (operasi pakis, 1965.09.15)

jadi kalo org org nya firaun jawa pernah bilang smua ex-eastern bloc planes itu early decommissioned due to lacking of spareparts itu bohong
Di museum Dirgantara Mandala kemarin ... saya masih melihat MiG 19.
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Ini sisa yg gak diberikan ke Pakistan ya om ?



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newrubble wrote:sy kalo alm ayah mau k solo bawa mobil (mobil nya naik herky) sengaja turun di iswahjudi bukan di panasan atau di maguwo

krn sy suka jalan jalan di depot15 yg pernah jadi parts warehouse terbesar dunia selain yg di soviet n sanggup bikin pesawat ..... smua komplit (jaman itu) sampai di hibah smua ke amriki jaman diktator bodoh
Jadi ngerasa wah... pernah menjejakan kaki di area yang sama, tapi dengan suasana yg jauhhhh berbeda.[emoji120]

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yg di kasih pakistan itu lima units (1965) plus tiga units (1969) tapi hebat nya meski dah di kasih gratis pakistan wkt east timor under int'l forum, supporting portugal (against indo) sedangkan india (yg jaman indo-malay turmoil kasih greenlight airspace mrk u tu-16s indo n kasih smua airfields mrk bs u indo refuel kalo di perlukan) selalu supporting indo

dulu soviet punya precondition u smua yg mau acquire mig21 hrs terlebih dulu punya mig19...... sama spt sblmnya yg mau punya mig17 hrs terlebih dulu punya mig15 ......
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newrubble wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 18:49 enak kok kalo masuk militer / polisi / pajak di indo............ cari wang juga mudah n cepet kayaraya........... tar kalo dah pangkat tinggal cari pengusaha mana yg butuh n yg jadi polisi usahain masuk 'serse' tar byk kok yg mau minta tolong u kasusin org............. yg penting kan yg ngasih itu ihlas (itu omongan mas warto yg dulu jadi tukang kebon dirumah rumah sy)
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kata mas warto (dulu) polantas ambil nya receh wang parkir n 'serse' ambil nya wang babah di bang n kalo dah jenderal itu yg diambil wang cukong di sing ga pur

2014.02 sy pernah kedatangan bripka pake gelar es ha dari 'serse' krim um polda jkt yg husus ancam sy gara gara urusan babu sy kluarin krn pacaran dgn supir yg sudah laki org .... dia naik tyt prius 2007 yg masih jdm (pasaran krg lbh rp 250-280 jutaan)

tiga x datang sy suruh satpam sj yg omong n tiga x panggilan surat sy diam kan sj (skalian water test itu kes beneran apa kes ojek) ahir nya ga ada apa apa

.... sempat sy ktmu pas sblm lebaran di mesjid polda ..... dia mau jadi imam sy tolak ....... he does his career (like many 3rd world military n poliz members) in fastfood manner ........
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newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:51 kata mas warto (dulu) polantas ambil nya receh wang parkir n 'serse' ambil nya wang babah di bang n kalo dah jenderal itu yg diambil wang cukong di sing ga pur

2014.02 sy pernah kedatangan bripka pake gelar es ha dari 'serse' krim um polda jkt yg husus ancam sy gara gara urusan babu sy kluarin krn pacaran dgn supir yg sudah laki org .... dia naik tyt prius 2007 yg masih jdm (pasaran krg lbh rp 250-280 jutaan)
Babunya Om pinter juga ancam ancam majikan..

Oh iya Om setelah barang dari Soviet (yg punya indo) dikasih ke US mereka pakai buat apa Om? Research?

Hahahaha, blo'on banget dah. Barang bagus juga malah dikasih cuma cuma ke orang lain.

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Dekyarov wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:22
newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:51 kata mas warto (dulu) polantas ambil nya receh wang parkir n 'serse' ambil nya wang babah di bang n kalo dah jenderal itu yg diambil wang cukong di sing ga pur

2014.02 sy pernah kedatangan bripka pake gelar es ha dari 'serse' krim um polda jkt yg husus ancam sy gara gara urusan babu sy kluarin krn pacaran dgn supir yg sudah laki org .... dia naik tyt prius 2007 yg masih jdm (pasaran krg lbh rp 250-280 jutaan)
Babunya Om pinter juga ancam ancam majikan..

Oh iya Om setelah barang dari Soviet (yg punya indo) dikasih ke US mereka pakai buat apa Om? Research?

Hahahaha, blo'on banget dah. Barang bagus juga malah dikasih cuma cuma ke orang lain.

:mky_05:
babu sy smua ambil ex tki spy kalo 1 wkt sy perlu mrk u overseas outplacement mrk bs lsg .... jgn tanya gaji mrk ...... dua masih sy keep disini sampai skrg

mig family members ex indo di bawa ke nevada ..... 4477th test n evaluation sqdn. under operation peg bima ..... indo punya 40 mig21 dgn bbrp punya fleet number sama tapi deployment place yg beda sehingga cuma 20 units yg registered ..... tanyalah ke rudy taran yg skrg punya kiki catering ..... dia dan-kobuser wing300 (kemayoran) yg trahir n 1 1 nya soviet-certified scramble team yg masih idup

klaar evaluation (textron airland n t50 golden eagle punya DNA mig21 ..... cheap supersonic ..... bgitu juga f404 engine punya r25 DNA) mrk ada yg jadi static display n ada yg jadi target drone ...... yg jelas firaun jawa itu betul betul goodboy ..... meski masih jauh dibawah ally ..... masih jauh di bawah marcos n reza pahlevy ...... amriki tdk suka org yg tdk skolah spt dia, alm gaafar nimeiry n haile selassie

kalo mau tanya ttg an21 dan tu16 bisa ke sudjatio adi (smoga dia masih sehat) rumah nya di bendi tanah kusir tdk jauh dr bengkel kzero n cuma bbrp steps dr rumah nya lopez da cruz

kalo calon cosmonaut ex project roket kartika yg dulu dikirim (1964) ke kosmodrom baykonur leninsk (72 org trmsk alm ayah sy, alm efram harsana n alm soesilo wibowo) 45 took european asylum, 15 balik ( smua medical doctors 8 trmsk alm ayah sy rasakan house arrest , 1 pensiun one-star, 1 pensiun two-star, 5 pensiun colonel, 3 pensiun lieut.col. 5 ilang sampe skrg), 15 took soviet asylum ...... ampir smua skrg dah mati kec 3 org (umur 83 - 87 thn ) yg tadi nya ex soviet asyls

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Btw what is Depot15? Saya taunya Depot 99 dekat dengan rumah jual berbagai matjam makanan..
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newrubble wrote:
Dekyarov wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:22
newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:51 kata mas warto (dulu) polantas ambil nya receh wang parkir n 'serse' ambil nya wang babah di bang n kalo dah jenderal itu yg diambil wang cukong di sing ga pur

2014.02 sy pernah kedatangan bripka pake gelar es ha dari 'serse' krim um polda jkt yg husus ancam sy gara gara urusan babu sy kluarin krn pacaran dgn supir yg sudah laki org .... dia naik tyt prius 2007 yg masih jdm (pasaran krg lbh rp 250-280 jutaan)
Babunya Om pinter juga ancam ancam majikan..

Oh iya Om setelah barang dari Soviet (yg punya indo) dikasih ke US mereka pakai buat apa Om? Research?

Hahahaha, blo'on banget dah. Barang bagus juga malah dikasih cuma cuma ke orang lain.

:mky_05:
babu sy smua ambil ex tki spy kalo 1 wkt sy perlu mrk u overseas outplacement mrk bs lsg .... jgn tanya gaji mrk ...... dua masih sy keep disini sampai skrg

mig family members ex indo di bawa ke nevada ..... 4477th test n evaluation sqdn. under operation peg bima ..... indo punya 40 mig21 dgn bbrp punya fleet number sama tapi deployment place yg beda sehingga cuma 20 units yg registered ..... tanyalah ke rudy taran yg skrg punya kiki catering ..... dia dan-kobuser wing300 (kemayoran) yg trahir n 1 1 nya soviet-certified scramble team yg masih idup

klaar evaluation (textron airland n t50 golden eagle punya DNA mig21 ..... cheap supersonic ..... bgitu juga f404 engine punya r25 DNA) mrk ada yg jadi static display n ada yg jadi target drone ...... yg jelas firaun jawa itu betul betul goodboy ..... meski masih jauh dibawah ally ..... masih jauh di bawah marcos n reza pahlevy ...... amriki tdk suka org yg tdk skolah spt dia, alm gaafar nimeiry n haile selassie

kalo mau tanya ttg an21 dan tu16 bisa ke sudjatio adi (smoga dia masih sehat) rumah nya di bendi tanah kusir tdk jauh dr bengkel kzero n cuma bbrp steps dr rumah nya lopez da cruz

kalo calon cosmonaut ex project roket kartika yg dulu dikirim (1964) ke kosmodrom baykonur leninsk (72 org trmsk alm ayah sy, alm efram harsana n alm soesilo wibowo) 45 took european asylum, 15 balik ( smua medical doctors 8 trmsk alm ayah sy rasakan house arrest , 1 pensiun one-star, 1 pensiun two-star, 5 pensiun colonel, 3 pensiun lieut.col. 5 ilang sampe skrg), 15 took soviet asylum ...... ampir smua skrg dah mati kec 3 org (umur 83 - 87 thn ) yg tadi nya ex soviet asyls

sorry out of topic
Haaaaah ?
Kita pernah punya MiG-21 sampe 40 unit ?
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Tapi saya suka banget sama yg satu ini ...
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Strategic bomber yg pernah kita punya ...

Btw ... saya kenal dgn menantunya rudy taran ... yg kawin dgn anaknya yg sdh meninggal
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A7Corsair wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 16:26
Haaaaah ?
Kita pernah punya MiG-21 sampe 40 unit ?

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Tapi saya suka banget sama yg satu ini ...

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Strategic bomber yg pernah kita punya ...

Btw ... saya kenal dgn menantunya rudy taran ... yg kawin dgn anaknya yg sdh meninggal
vino (elduse delvino) mati?

mig21 indo trahir x terbang 1980.03.28 (sy ingat pas diajak alm ayah k iswahjudi itu u liat farewell flypass 6 units yg combatworthy ..... krn ini swap purchase maka per unit indo hanya cukup bayar usd tujuh ratus lima puluh ribu ....... meski mnrt sy mig21 ditukar bginian tetap sj terlalu mahal ..... jadi kalo di bilang mrk smua grounded 1970 n 1973 itu bohong

ttg luwak itu senior nya bruang ..... musang di buat u 40 year in-fleet non-stop operation ..... bruang di bikin u 100 year continuing operation with multiyear upgrade..... hanya diktator bodoh yg merubah smua luwak jadi panci ..... feces nya sj bs jadi kopi termahal dunia

itu penting nya skolah

diktator bodoh pasti hanya memiliki anak anak bodoh
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Aww, ampun om NR.. Berarti memang berita2 beredar itu pelintiran dari istana ya untuk menutupi kenyataan bahwa kita mr diktator sedang disetir mamarika.. That's our bomber are the best in the world at the era, but why must be grounded? Alasan nya yag banyak ditulis bahkan di media cetak karena parts yang gak presisi satu sama lain~
Kita MIG punya 17-19 dan 21 saya tidak ingat kalau punya 15 juga, dan sempat punya chopper besar dari Ruski yang entah kemana sekarang..
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newrubble wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 17:08
vino (elduse delvino) mati?

mig21 indo trahir x terbang 1980.03.28 (sy ingat pas diajak alm ayah k iswahjudi itu u liat farewell flypass 6 units yg combatworthy ..... krn ini swap purchase maka per unit indo hanya cukup bayar usd tujuh ratus lima puluh ribu ....... meski mnrt sy mig21 ditukar bginian tetap sj terlalu mahal ..... jadi kalo di bilang mrk smua grounded 1970 n 1973 itu bohong

ttg luwak itu senior nya bruang ..... musang di buat u 40 year in-fleet non-stop operation ..... bruang di bikin u 100 year continuing operation with multiyear upgrade..... hanya diktator bodoh yg merubah smua luwak jadi panci ..... feces nya sj bs jadi kopi termahal dunia

itu penting nya skolah

diktator bodoh pasti hanya memiliki anak anak bodoh
Seinget saya nama panggilan suaminya Tori om ...
Saya dulu sekantor dgn menantunya ... dan dia resign memang khusus utk nanganin kiky catering ...

Baru tau kalo Fishbed kita terbang sampe taun 80 ...
Ini swap purchase sama tiger ya om ?
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NYoman wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:49 Aww, ampun om NR.. Berarti memang berita2 beredar itu pelintiran dari istana ya untuk menutupi kenyataan bahwa kita mr diktator sedang disetir mamarika.. That's our bomber are the best in the world at the era, but why must be grounded?
Jaman diktator mah media gak bisa beritakan pemerintah yg negatif kayak sekarang bisa dibredel.
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A7Corsair wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:50
Seinget saya nama panggilan suaminya Tori om ...
Saya dulu sekantor dgn menantunya ... dan dia resign memang khusus utk nanganin kiky catering ...

Baru tau kalo Fishbed kita terbang sampe taun 80 ...
Ini swap purchase sama tiger ya om ?
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oh kk nya vino kalo bgitu n sy tdk sempat kenal ....... dulu tante rudy kong sie dgn tante ivon (istri alm lieut.col. dokter karmadji, polonia, jkt) bikin ivonne catering n abis itu mrk ribut n ahir nya kel rudy (sy panggil dia oom acong) bikin sendri di jariwaringin di curug indah di arah pintu masuk (bekas) komplek bintara tinggi ..... ahirnya ivonne catering (yg juga sama sama auri) punya direct competitor kiki catering tapi mrk tdk ribut lg.

ya mig21 yg flying condition tukar nambah dgn f5e yg hrs nya u iran jadi c5a galaxy (saat itu under military airlift command) brangkat bawa f5 (per unit cuma sanggup bawa dua) n pulang bawa mig21 (wing set di kirim via sea cargo) trmsk disassembled NOS wing set, engine stocks n smua parts logistics diangkut smua

sy ingat dulu abis smua trangkut mrk smua (us delegation) pesta besar di hilton executive club jkt n mrk sebut 20th century treasure ...... sy (sy tdk datang ksono n cuma alm ayah yg datang dgn skitar 30 org auri trmsk ashadi tjahjadi) yg wkt itu anak kecil n masih wni sangat sangat malu n terhina ...... betapa bodoh nya sy (itu fikiran sy, blaming myself)
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newrubble wrote:
ya mig21 yg flying condition tukar nambah dgn f5e yg hrs nya u iran jadi c5a galaxy (saat itu under military airlift command) brangkat bawa f5 (per unit cuma sanggup bawa dua) n pulang bawa mig21 (wing set di kirim via sea cargo) trmsk disassembled NOS wing set, engine stocks n smua parts logistics diangkut smua

sy ingat dulu abis smua trangkut mrk smua (us delegation) pesta besar di hilton executive club jkt n mrk sebut 20th century treasure ...... sy (sy tdk datang ksono n cuma alm ayah yg datang dgn skitar 30 org auri trmsk ashadi tjahjadi) yg wkt itu anak kecil n masih wni sangat sangat malu n terhina ...... betapa bodoh nya sy (itu fikiran sy, blaming myself)
Naaahh ... baru tau lg kalo tiger itu sebenarnya ex pesanan iran ...


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Mungkin ini skyhawk ex IAF ...
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ambisi irana jaman alm shah reza (1978) u bikin 5 additional sqdn. of f5e/f (spy jadi 10 including existing ones) mrk order 118 units (bersamaan dgn 300 units f16a/b yg tadi nya di harapkan iran jadi fleet user f16a/b pertama diluar amriki n yg kmudian thn 1980 di hibah ke israel n skrg mau di jual israel ke foreign buyers) n bayar lunas

yg sy ingat 1980 iran tarik military attache dari jakarta n minta indo military attache di tehran u pulang dlm 7x24 ...... nasip yg sama di alami mrk yg dari mexico, spore n 3rd deputy head of taiwan trade center (embassy, unofficial) in tehran

mrk mrk yg trima f5e/f under operation peace tiger global (heran nya cuma indo yg bayar usd 750 ribu per unit) yg lain ...... dapat gratis trmsk taiwan yg trima dlm keadaan disassembled krn mau locally manufactured
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newrubble wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:34
mrk mrk yg trima f5e/f under operation peace tiger global (heran nya cuma indo yg bayar usd 750 ribu per unit) yg lain ...... dapat gratis trmsk taiwan yg trima dlm keadaan disassembled krn mau locally manufactured
Haaha ... bangsa indo kan dari dulu terkenal murah hati om ...
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ya kayaraya n ...........................
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newrubble wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:34 ambisi irana jaman alm shah reza (1978) u bikin 5 additional sqdn. of f5e/f (spy jadi 10 including existing ones) mrk order 118 units (bersamaan dgn 300 units f16a/b yg tadi nya di harapkan iran jadi fleet user f16a/b pertama diluar amriki n yg kmudian thn 1980 di hibah ke israel n skrg mau di jual israel ke foreign buyers) n bayar lunas

Wah kalo f 16 gelombang pertama nyampe ke tangan Iran. Irak bisa rontok AU nya.

F 14 Iran gimana bisa dapet asupan suku cadang, bisa terbang lama gitu?
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iran adalah indo in western version (until 1979)........ amriki's pet (indo was soviet's pet in weaponry acquisition) ...... uncle sam built complete logistic storage n engine shops including airframe stocks . shah reza had ambition all planes capable to continue in combat operation for ...... a century (counting from each date of delivery / upgrade)

beda nya mrk (due to aryan blood n brain) also managed in bringing in-depth training (all aspects) localized

complete logistical needs n know how center of tomcats located in mehrabad n us-israeli 'advisors' and airframe duplication center localized in farahabad / farahdibabad / pernah di sebut sorayibad jaman ratu soraya blm di cerai (now called dishan-tappeh as of 1989.01.11 or according to calendar: 1367.dey.21 (chaharshanbeh day) sedangkan yg lain ada di hamadan (skrg jadi tu22 ruskiye operation hub) yg dulu di sebut shahroki base, khatami airbase di tempat karpet terbesar dunia (esfahan) skrg jadi shahid bahesti airport n airbase, bandar-abbas (dulu herky 'a' and 'b' series indo sampai 1977 sering repair, upgrade, service disini kalo depot10 andir tdk sanggup, stopover fokker27 auri juga pernah di sini thn 1975)

beda nya indo jaman 1960s tdk punya training facility cuma bs operated pesawat (terbang siang n sore) n sebentar sj maintained logistic center ...... jadi dulu ada anggapan (ini yg tdk diceritakan byk org) kalo mau serang indo lbh baik malam ...... krn tiap ada latian terbang malam (sampai 1973) pasti ada plane crash at least satu unit

antara 1970-73 ostrali kasih know how yg sangat berharga u indo airforce n naval plane crews ..... biasakan bikin flight plan meski itu cuma u flight training n regular flight (sblm itu flight plan cuma u special mission sehingga kalo ilang susah cari nya)
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Re: about Military

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newrubble wrote:
beda nya indo jaman 1960s tdk punya training facility cuma bs operated pesawat (terbang siang n sore) n sebentar sj maintained logistic center ...... jadi dulu ada anggapan (ini yg tdk diceritakan byk org) kalo mau serang indo lbh baik malam ...... krn tiap ada latian terbang malam (sampai 1973) pasti ada plane crash at least satu unit

antara 1970-73 ostrali kasih know how yg sangat berharga u indo airforce n naval plane crews ..... biasakan bikin flight plan meski itu cuma u flight training n regular flight (sblm itu flight plan cuma u special mission sehingga kalo ilang susah cari nya)
Ini barengan dengan ostrali kasih Sabre ya oom ?
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