Koenigsegg Regera keren tuh drivetrainnya.ChZ wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 14:49kalo liat ke depannya si kayaknya emerging market kek kita bakal mayoritas didominasi hybrid / mild hybrid.Suryaputra wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 14:34 ujung2nya tau2 plot twist
dr semua kegaduhan ini..., e-fuel yg win the competition silently
masalah drivetrain, hybrid ok, N/A ok, turbo ok.
Astra group jg gak bakal mau kehilangan market![]()
tinggal liat si as*ra langkah berikutnya gmn. bisa ngga jual veloz / avanza hybrid. yaris crot kayaknya cuma mock-up product awal untuk develop mesin 2NR with hybrid powertrain. long term plannya ya bikin veloz hybrid.
kalo LCGC hybrid masih blm masuk itungannya![]()
mobil murah (lcgc) udah pasti pure internal combustion 1 liter - 1.2 liter.
mobil menengah (lmpv up) mild hybrid atau full hybrid, dengan pure gasoline / diesel variant tetep dijual sambil test market.
mobil 700 juta ke atas full electric atau full hybrid.
sportcar / hot hatch mungkin akan tetap pakai gasoline + turbo for the time being. pabrikan msh blm tega kasih sportcar hybrid. ruins the experience.
supercar/hypercar baru yang pake hybrid itupun tujuannya boost performance.
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Wkwkwkwk ilmu ghoib bule londo..kendibocor wrote:Ini oondah on steroid om, aerodinamikanya super dewa sama ilmu ghoib bule londo
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Naksir bentukannya dll cuma harganya kalo dipikir2 bisa dapet CRV RW turbo 2 biji (harga seken udah 300tengah)
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Andai bisa beli casingnya aja om wakakakka. Ane jg mikir gitu.Scalettalv wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 22:57 Naksir bentukannya dll cuma harganya kalo dipikir2 bisa dapet CRV RW turbo 2 biji (harga seken udah 300tengah)
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lah bener juga nih. tau improvement chassis darimana.
kalo saya, biasa bawa ladderframe, pindah ke sedan monocoque independent udh lsg langit bumi rasanya

tapi om kopat, taruhlah kita bicara spesifik di ban. apa iya, di mobil yang sama, perkara beda ban aja bisa ngaruh banget driving experiencenya? ini kita bicara mobil jalanan biasa ya.. bukan mobil trek ato mobil khusus drift gitu ya. yang tentunya kita bawa cuma average speed kombinasi dalkot tol 22kph ya. rasanya buat saya pribadi, yg paling ke notice paling road noise nya aja sih.
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1. Yang pasti press release honda nyaiamwewe wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 08:20lah bener juga nih. tau improvement chassis darimana.
kalo saya, biasa bawa ladderframe, pindah ke sedan monocoque independent udh lsg langit bumi rasanya![]()
tapi om kopat, taruhlah kita bicara spesifik di ban. apa iya, di mobil yang sama, perkara beda ban aja bisa ngaruh banget driving experiencenya? ini kita bicara mobil jalanan biasa ya.. bukan mobil trek ato mobil khusus drift gitu ya. yang tentunya kita bawa cuma average speed kombinasi dalkot tol 22kph ya. rasanya buat saya pribadi, yg paling ke notice paling road noise nya aja sih.
2. Experience dgn previous car w/ same platform or competitor. Emang pasti dari sini referencenya.
Dan betul emang berasa kalau mobilnya di push. Kalau ane merasakan sasis bagus itu walau dicombo suspensi empuk, bodynya akan tetep gak kemana mana di tikungan. Walau ban udah nyeret kita ngerti abis ini setir mau kita apaken.
Contoh paling sederhana di ane ya Xpander biar ga dibilang fans honda ngebela honda. Xpander suspensinya kan empuk sekali, ban jg ampas eko ekoan. Tapi belok di toll itu body nurut2 aja walau ada tendensi bodyroll.
Compared to Avanza yang sasisnya jauh tidak lebih refined. Prnh saya pake avanza ban sincera sn832i bannya ngegrip, tp kalo udah lewat limit grip ban udah ane gak ngerti dah mau diapain tuh mobil. Gak keguling udah bagus. Wkwkwkwk.
Di RS1 dan RW1 berasanya ya spt ane tulis mbah, ditekuk rasanya lebih ga ngebuang bagian belakangnya. Itu bokong geser kok kmrn jd most definitely udah bablas limit grip. Dan suspensi ane rasakan setupnya tidak jauh beda dgn RW jd udah eliminir faktor pembeda lain.
Improvement sasis ala bengkel : nambah suspension bracing (strutbar swaybar dkk) biar body makin rigid.
Improvement sasis versi pabrikan : nambah titik las / welding spot.
Begitu kurang lebihnya. Semoga nggak bingung.
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Dmana2 jamban baru pasti terasa lebih enak.. terlebih buat nekuk2
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Iya karet2nya masih lentur, suspensi baru, dan sasis jg masih baru lahir, ditambah ban kelas suv premium termahal micin.
Sebiji 5 jutaan lebih.
Ya udh ningkat dr situ

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tapi mbah, ane bisa yakin bukan gegara lebih baru jadi lebih enak.Suryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:05Iya karet2nya masih lentur, suspensi baru, dan sasis jg masih baru lahir, ditambah ban kelas suv premium termahal micin.
Sebiji 5 jutaan lebih.
Ya udh ningkat dr situ![]()
dulu pernah head on nge reyen RW kinyis2 punya temen di awal muncul jg. itu mobil di awal kemunculan rasanya empuk banget mau ngepush aja agak ragu-ragu soalnya setup nya empuk.
waktu itu head-on langsung dgn RM. RM lebih confident ditekuk di tikungan. tapi ya suspensinya emang grobak. wkwkwkwk.
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ya susah sih emang ya kalo ngomong sesuatu yg gk keliatan secara langsung. lah kalo motor mgkn lebih enak ya ditelanjangin utk liat sasisnya utk dibandingin. kalo mobil gak mgkn banget dah.ChZ wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 09:17
1. Yang pasti press release honda nya
2. Experience dgn previous car w/ same platform or competitor. Emang pasti dari sini referencenya.
Dan betul emang berasa kalau mobilnya di push. Kalau ane merasakan sasis bagus itu walau dicombo suspensi empuk, bodynya akan tetep gak kemana mana di tikungan. Walau ban udah nyeret kita ngerti abis ini setir mau kita apaken.
Contoh paling sederhana di ane ya Xpander biar ga dibilang fans honda ngebela honda. Xpander suspensinya kan empuk sekali, ban jg ampas eko ekoan. Tapi belok di toll itu body nurut2 aja walau ada tendensi bodyroll.
Compared to Avanza yang sasisnya jauh tidak lebih refined. Prnh saya pake avanza ban sincera sn832i bannya ngegrip, tp kalo udah lewat limit grip ban udah ane gak ngerti dah mau diapain tuh mobil. Gak keguling udah bagus. Wkwkwkwk.
Di RS1 dan RW1 berasanya ya spt ane tulis mbah, ditekuk rasanya lebih ga ngebuang bagian belakangnya. Itu bokong geser kok kmrn jd most definitely udah bablas limit grip. Dan suspensi ane rasakan setupnya tidak jauh beda dgn RW jd udah eliminir faktor pembeda lain.
Improvement sasis ala bengkel : nambah suspension bracing (strutbar swaybar dkk) biar body makin rigid.
Improvement sasis versi pabrikan : nambah titik las / welding spot.
Begitu kurang lebihnya. Semoga nggak bingung.
yah, kalo org awam kaya gw ya sekedar pegangan sama press release resmi ATPM aja palingan.
oot sdkt yg gw bold. pantesan ya trio laderframe orang banyak jual strutbar swaybar biar katanya makin stabil dan ngurangin goyangan kapal nya. ternyata buat improve sasis. tapi kan kalo kita pasang gituan, nanti bantingan pasti jadi lebih kaku / kasar. ini yang dinamain u can't get best of both world? mau ngayun ya limbung, mau stabil ya keras
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kalo mobil musti ke bengkel balap. liat tuh plat plat luar ditelanjangin terus di welding ulang dan dipasang rollbar dimana-manaiamwewe wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:22
ya susah sih emang ya kalo ngomong sesuatu yg gk keliatan secara langsung. lah kalo motor mgkn lebih enak ya ditelanjangin utk liat sasisnya utk dibandingin. kalo mobil gak mgkn banget dah.
yah, kalo org awam kaya gw ya sekedar pegangan sama press release resmi ATPM aja palingan.
oot sdkt yg gw bold. pantesan ya trio laderframe orang banyak jual strutbar swaybar biar katanya makin stabil dan ngurangin goyangan kapal nya. ternyata buat improve sasis. tapi kan kalo kita pasang gituan, nanti bantingan pasti jadi lebih kaku / kasar. ini yang dinamain u can't get best of both world? mau ngayun ya limbung, mau stabil ya keras

makanya ada disclemer mbah kalo supirnya kek ane, ya sasis nambah rigid itu yg naik makin enak krn lebih gak mabok

sama berasanya kalo laka sih bodyshellnya makin kuat.
yg kebalik itu ANPS punya sasis lebih oke, tp ANF punya suspensi lebih kaku. jd bener kalo ANF/reborn lebih enak pasang swaybar belakang buat enak dikit nikungnya. kmrn di BSD dipinjemin forti 2.8 belok dikit pas lari 100 di toll aja agak ngeri. wkwkwkwkkw.
kalo ANPS ganti shock biar lebih nggak limbung

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dimana informasi chassis RS lebih rigid?
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sdh di post om @darrelund di reply paling awal.
darrelund wrote: ↑03 Sep 2023, 01:04 niceeeee
jadi memang oonda ini kasarnya ud nemu formula yg pas, jadi tinggal incremental update ajah
tapi memang di kelasnya ya dia paling fresh & sensible
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2023 Honda CR-V | Body and Chassis
Key Body and Chassis Features
Updated Honda Architecture for precise, sporty handling and comfortable rideNew Enhanced Global Architecture
- 1.6-inch longer wheelbase
0.4-inch wider front and rear tracks
15 percent stiffer body construction for improved driving dynamics
Front suspension mounted on new, lightweight rigid subframe
Stiffer mount points for rear multilink suspension and subframe
Improved steering feel and braking performance
Honda architecture is a three-part modular system that takes advantage of component commonization to make the best product. This new approach to Honda architecture was used to create the 11th generation Civic and the new sixth-generation CR-V.
Based on an enhanced version of Honda Architecture, the new CR-V features improvements in ride, handling and overall refinement. This chassis includes MacPherson struts in front and a multilink suspension in the rear.
For improved stability and a smoother ride, CR-V's wheelbase has been extended to 106.3 inches (+1.6 inches), and its front and rear tracks are significantly wider (+0.4 inches in the front and the rear), creating an athletic stance and enhancing stability.
More Rigid Body Structure
Significant improvements to CR-V's structural stiffness, including a redesigned front subframe, benefit its ride quality, handling and collision safety protection. Stiffening members have been added to the rear door frame and B pillars, and more rigid mounting points are used for the rear springs and suspension arm mounting points. Overall, the new body is 15 percent stiffer.
For the first time, to achieve a radical reduction in cabin noise, vibration and harshness, and accurate steering response, CR-V also benefits from structural adhesive. Applied generously on the roof, A-pillars, B-pillars, floor pan, firewall, and rear structure, adhesives are applied where spot welds are performed, combining the strength of the weld and the broader surface area of the adhesive. This increases the stiffness of the joint, minimizing the need for increased sheet metal thickness or the addition of welded-on reinforcements.
Retuned Suspension
The front MacPherson strut suspension has been re-tuned for a more comfortable ride over rough surfaces, while heat treated lower ball joints reduce friction to create a more refined driving experience. A new lightweight, highly rigid cast aluminum subframe shaves 11 pounds.
In the rear, the subframe for the multilink suspension has been stiffened with stronger mount points, and the rear spring rates of the mount support have been increased 15 percent for sportier handling and improved stability.
Responsive Steering
CR-V uses a dual-pinion electronic power steering (EPS) system which features a honed steering column bearing to reduce steering friction and improve steering feel. In addition, the EPS has been tuned to provide excellent feedback and improved straight-line stability. A new electric motor control unit also enables more accurate and linear steering, while the variable gear ratio improves low speed turning and high-speed stability feel by changing gear ratios at low and high speeds.
The stiffer new aluminum subframe also positions the variable-ratio steering rack below the rear propeller shaft instead of above it as before. Moving the rack 32 mm lower, along with a low-friction column bearing and rack, significantly improves CR-V's steering system rigidity and consequently, steering feel and accuracy.
Improved Brake System
CR-V's brake controllability is improved by optimizing software for deceleration relative to tread force and pedal stroke.
All CR-Vs are equipped with 4-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist. The system provides a comfortable and refined feel at low speeds, predictable and easy operation on the highway, a sporty, fun-to-drive feel on winding roads, and reassuring high-performance stopping in emergency situations.
Large ventilated front brake rotors and rear solid rotors are standard. CR-V also uses a low-friction front caliper with a roll back spring to further reduce brake drag, contributing to fuel efficiency while still maintaining the excellent braking performance.
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Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di improved chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigidChZ wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:09tapi mbah, ane bisa yakin bukan gegara lebih baru jadi lebih enak.Suryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:05Iya karet2nya masih lentur, suspensi baru, dan sasis jg masih baru lahir, ditambah ban kelas suv premium termahal micin.
Sebiji 5 jutaan lebih.
Ya udh ningkat dr situ![]()
dulu pernah head on nge reyen RW kinyis2 punya temen di awal muncul jg. itu mobil di awal kemunculan rasanya empuk banget mau ngepush aja agak ragu-ragu soalnya setup nya empuk.
waktu itu head-on langsung dgn RM. RM lebih confident ditekuk di tikungan. tapi ya suspensinya emang grobak. wkwkwkwk.

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ya ini di RS udah paling balance sih imo.Suryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:05 Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di reinforced chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigid
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kaki kaki RW tapi di sasis reinforce lagi dan suspensi di fine tuning

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pantat bisa bedakan refined chassis hondut yang ga kliatan tapi mata ga bisa bedakan anh20 dikonvert agh30
Hondut chassis rigid sih tak terbantahkan... Wong pengemudi dijadikan bagian dari chassis

Hondut chassis rigid sih tak terbantahkan... Wong pengemudi dijadikan bagian dari chassis

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sayangnya gini - gini ga ditulis ato dijelaskan pas kemarin launch, mungkin karena ga menarik buat dijual ya hahahaSuryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:05Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di improved chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigidChZ wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:09tapi mbah, ane bisa yakin bukan gegara lebih baru jadi lebih enak.Suryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:05
Iya karet2nya masih lentur, suspensi baru, dan sasis jg masih baru lahir, ditambah ban kelas suv premium termahal micin.
Sebiji 5 jutaan lebih.
Ya udh ningkat dr situ![]()
dulu pernah head on nge reyen RW kinyis2 punya temen di awal muncul jg. itu mobil di awal kemunculan rasanya empuk banget mau ngepush aja agak ragu-ragu soalnya setup nya empuk.
waktu itu head-on langsung dgn RM. RM lebih confident ditekuk di tikungan. tapi ya suspensinya emang grobak. wkwkwkwk.
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gak bakal ngerti, atau gak penting jg buat >99% populasi customerIbet wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 07:50sayangnya gini - gini ga ditulis ato dijelaskan pas kemarin launch, mungkin karena ga menarik buat dijual ya hahahaSuryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:05Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di improved chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigidChZ wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:09
tapi mbah, ane bisa yakin bukan gegara lebih baru jadi lebih enak.
dulu pernah head on nge reyen RW kinyis2 punya temen di awal muncul jg. itu mobil di awal kemunculan rasanya empuk banget mau ngepush aja agak ragu-ragu soalnya setup nya empuk.
waktu itu head-on langsung dgn RM. RM lebih confident ditekuk di tikungan. tapi ya suspensinya emang grobak. wkwkwkwk.
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mereka cuma bilang, "ah gak ngebut juga"
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"emang mau balapan?"
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Kecelakaan kan musibah omSuryaputra wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:07gak bakal ngerti, atau gak penting jg buat >99% populasi customerIbet wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 07:50sayangnya gini - gini ga ditulis ato dijelaskan pas kemarin launch, mungkin karena ga menarik buat dijual ya hahahaSuryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:05
Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di improved chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigid
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mereka cuma bilang, "ah gak ngebut juga"
"ngapaian sasis kenceng?"
"emang mau balapan?"
padahal penting buat manuver ndadak ngindarin sesuatu atau lobang![]()

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divisi marketing HPM selalu kalah dari mazda motor soal ngejual kelebihan teknis mobilnya. dulu earthdreams itu apaan juga nggak pernah dijelasin. cuma ditulis teknologi earthdreams atau earthdreams CVT. paling ngejualnya cuma mobil sekian hp kenceng di kelasnya yang skrg langganan dirujak gegara CVT final drive dialusin demi ngejar irit.
kalau mau jualan rangka pernah si dulu GE8 first batch itu nampilin skor Japan NCAP 5 stars. kalau mau ngejual kelebihan sasis ya paling itu, harusnya branding aja kalo honda = safety. honda punya safety score selalu bagus dan moose test selalu pass with flying colours.
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Ya udah mbahkendibocor wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:13Kecelakaan kan musibah omSuryaputra wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:07gak bakal ngerti, atau gak penting jg buat >99% populasi customer![]()
mereka cuma bilang, "ah gak ngebut juga"
"ngapaian sasis kenceng?"
"emang mau balapan?"
padahal penting buat manuver ndadak ngindarin sesuatu atau lobang![]()
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Re: 2023 Honda CR-V 1.5 Turbo CVT (RS1) Short Drive
Nah ini dia. Setelah acciedent VRZ, jd ga ambil ladder frame dulu. Sementara full monokok.Suryaputra wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:07gak bakal ngerti, atau gak penting jg buat >99% populasi customerIbet wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 07:50sayangnya gini - gini ga ditulis ato dijelaskan pas kemarin launch, mungkin karena ga menarik buat dijual ya hahahaSuryaputra wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:05
Iya biasanya klo honda selalu nilai jualnya di improved chassis, yg susah gmn caranya ttp nyaman tp sasis ttp kokoh / rigid
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mereka cuma bilang, "ah gak ngebut juga"
"ngapaian sasis kenceng?"
"emang mau balapan?"
padahal penting buat manuver ndadak ngindarin sesuatu atau lobang![]()
Pdhl waktu itu ga ngebut (100kmh max) cm sudden manuver jd ilang kendali.
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Re: 2023 Honda CR-V 1.5 Turbo CVT (RS1) Short Drive
Turut berduka mbahbensinsolar wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:55Nah ini dia. Setelah acciedent VRZ, jd ga ambil ladder frame dulu. Sementara full monokok.Suryaputra wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:07gak bakal ngerti, atau gak penting jg buat >99% populasi customer![]()
mereka cuma bilang, "ah gak ngebut juga"
"ngapaian sasis kenceng?"
"emang mau balapan?"
padahal penting buat manuver ndadak ngindarin sesuatu atau lobang![]()
Pdhl waktu itu ga ngebut (100kmh max) cm sudden manuver jd ilang kendali.
Iya ladder itu ngeri buat di tol.
Kudu diganti kaki, velg dan ban nya yg lbh proper
Dan sasisnya kudu "diiket" lagi biar lbh rigid.
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Re: 2023 Honda CR-V 1.5 Turbo CVT (RS1) Short Drive
ane pernah di cipali bawa RW, hindarin anjing liar nyebrang. jalan 130 km/h langsung banting. masih terkendali. VSA ya belum menyala.bensinsolar wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:55
Nah ini dia. Setelah acciedent VRZ, jd ga ambil ladder frame dulu. Sementara full monokok.
Pdhl waktu itu ga ngebut (100kmh max) cm sudden manuver jd ilang kendali.
cuma jantungan aja. wkwkwkwk.
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