Too Good to be Discontinued

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Too good to be discontinued?

Chevrolet Zafira
16
5%
Daihatsu Taruna
23
8%
Honda Stream
53
18%
Hyundai Trajet
6
2%
Kia Carnival
11
4%
Mazda E 2000
17
6%
Mitsubishi Galant
49
17%
Nissan Terrano
11
4%
Suzuki Aerio
11
4%
Toyota Soluna
20
7%
Volvo S60
5
2%
BMW 325i
17
6%
Mercedez Viano
1
0%
Peugeot 807
6
2%
Land Rover Defender
7
2%
Jeep 2.8 CDR
1
0%
Audi Allroad
4
1%
Jaguar S-Type
3
1%
Mini Cooper Hardtop
3
1%
Opel Blazer
9
3%
Proton Savvy
0
No votes
Renault Scenic
1
0%
Other
17
6%
 
Total votes: 291

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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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Sejak kemunculan Kuda di 1999 ane terobsesi selalu sama kuda diesel. Terlebih pas keluar yang Grandia 2002 dg theme song Bon Jovi, masih melekat betul itu iklan sampe skrg.
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glendotan wrote:Sejak kemunculan Kuda di 1999 ane terobsesi selalu sama kuda diesel. Terlebih pas keluar yang Grandia 2002 dg theme song Bon Jovi, masih melekat betul itu iklan sampe skrg.
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DOHC wrote:secara konstruksi kaki2 nya.... mustinya kuda lebi enak dr kijang malah... susunan per daun nya underaxle... bukan overaxle sperti kijang super dkk yg lebi ditujukan utk angkut beban... dan liat jg susunan lembaran2 per nya nyaris lurus, tanpa ad lekukan atau kurva.... secara teoritis sehh settingan kaya gt biasa utk passenger oriented... cmiiw
Semua ada lebih kurang nya, om klep... Ibarat manusia pun, tidak ada yang sempurna seratus peratus.
Apatah lagi mobil, om... bikinan makhluk yang juga gak sempurna..

Tapi yang jelas siy, cukup satu kuda sejuta saudara kita dapatkan, om... huehehehehee... :big_grin:
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walid_007 wrote:Suspensi keras kayak batu. Jujur ngak nyaman blaz kuda itu..



Persis naik kuda beneran goyang sana goyang sini ngak enak

Ngak perlu lawan innova .. pake lgx aja enak mana.. ngakak mas..
Betuuul, om..!! :wkkk:
Inget iklan mobil 7 seater fwd yang ngiklanin Kuda sebagai kendaraan Flintstones...? :big_biglaugh:

Itu udah cukup membuat ane mengambil keputusan untuk ngga mengambil mobil itu, om..malah beli yang paling ajrut ajrut... :big_grin:
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Setuju bangett !!!

Mestinya KuDies bisa tetap dijual utk "mencuri" segment antara apansah - Innopah

Bikin yg 2 level bawah pake mesin 4D56 NA......versi top level kasih mesinnya PJS Exceed + Metic 4 AT

Tapi denger2 KTB memang punya proyek "Low MPV"....mudah2-an aja nanti lahir penerusnya si Kuda dgn ladder frame, body compact, pakek mesinnya PJS Exceed & dijual lebih miring dr Ipah
Jualan juga rada rada gimanaa gitu... pasang SPG di dealer aja juga pasang yang udah full dempul bukannya pasang yang full pressed body...

Yaa...... :big_bored:


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maskopat wrote:low mpv ktb yaitu..... mirage 7 seater... :big_weee:
With 4G15 roller rocker arm :ngacir:

No wayyyyy..... :big_cry:

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ricz wrote:Pelan pelan gw baru mengerti knp owner Kuda apalg owner Kuda yg pintu buka ke atas masi ttp keep kuda jadulnya smpe skrg...

Kek kuda diesel py tetangga yg udh pindah rumah dianya, brand new dr 2002 dan masi dipake smpe skrg... :ungg:


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Opung ane pun masih wara wiri kabanjahe medan pake kuda gen awal nya... Innova 08 nya dianggurin :mky_02:

De javu dengan posting ini, mod... :big_blushing:
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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VanzMatic wrote:
walid_007 wrote:Suspensi keras kayak batu. Jujur ngak nyaman blaz kuda itu..



Persis naik kuda beneran goyang sana goyang sini ngak enak

Ngak perlu lawan innova .. pake lgx aja enak mana.. ngakak mas..
Betuuul, om..!! :wkkk:
Inget iklan mobil 7 seater fwd yang ngiklanin Kuda sebagai kendaraan Flintstones...? :big_biglaugh:

Itu udah cukup membuat ane mengambil keputusan untuk ngga mengambil mobil itu, om..malah beli yang paling ajrut ajrut... :big_grin:
itu iklan nya si GL batu makam kann... yahh kl bandingin nya ama GL jelas kalah lahh si kuda... yg satu masi per daun yg satu ud per keong... yg satu ladder frame yg satu monokok...

btw oot dikit,
jd inget dl diskusi malem2 ane antara om rijal (jalu), mario (tisu basah), badak.... kta perna bahas kl kuda itu termasuk kelas empuk bagi mobil2 ber per daun... jauhhh lebi tolerable dibanding panther... bahkan mendekati empuk nya si kijang kapsul... dgn konstruksi per daun yg passenger oriented plus bobot body yg berat... kombinasi pas... lain crita tuk kuda bensin yahh...
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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vote

Hyundai Trajet too good to be discontinued :big_cry:

Mitsu Kuda demen mulai gen 1 facia mirip pajero 90's, gen 2 makin elegant, apakagi keluaran terakhir yang pake konde cakep abis :big_love:

Kia Carnival/ Sedona versi terbarunya cakep, kok gak dimasukin di Indonesia ya' :big_think:

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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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kuda gen awal yg facia mirip pajero 90's cakep abis, sama keluaran terakhir yg dipakein konde kyaknya jarang lihat yg model ini

too good to be discontinued

hyundai trajet :big_cry:
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Kijang kapsul falcelift 1 & Kuda first gen...

Pake blok mesin aslinya aja tp tambah teknologi2 masa kini (vvti, mivec atau apalah namanya terserah), yg diesel pasang turbo. Jd irit tp ttp mampu minum bensin/solar murahan.

Pasang gimmick2 masa kini (HU touchscreen, tombol2 di setir, glove box berAC, sensor&kamera mundur, airbag, ABS, EBD, BA, ESC, dll). Tp jangan tambah chrome heuheuheuh.

Seandainya mobil2 begini diproduksi lg, mungkin kaleng yg paling laku sejak 2004 itu bs lengser angka penjualannya....
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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market indo itu relatively small ..... ibarat minority shareholder cuma ada minority vote power

buat apa principal hrs dengar selevel majority
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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ane sih sayang grandis udah discontinue padahal modelnya cakep n bisa jdi pilihan bagi org yg punya budget 300-400 jutaan mau cari mpv,slama ini mpv cuma ada innova aja (carens n orlando ane ga itung karna ga imbang sama innova). btw knp ada pilihan taruna ya,kan udah ada terios?
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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piggypig77 wrote:ane sih sayang grandis udah discontinue padahal modelnya cakep n bisa jdi pilihan bagi org yg punya budget 300-400 jutaan mau cari mpv,slama ini mpv cuma ada innova aja (carens n orlando ane ga itung karna ga imbang sama innova). btw knp ada pilihan taruna ya,kan udah ada terios?
ane juga mau ngomong grandis juga.., :mky_01:

mobil ini masih cakep kalopun dirilis tahun sekarang
please mitsy, release grandis again with 4D56 engine option
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newrubble wrote:market indo itu relatively small ..... ibarat minority shareholder cuma ada minority vote power

buat apa principal hrs dengar selevel majority
Nah mengenai hal ini, ajaibnya ada aja merk yg mau dengerin kemauan sebagian konsumen Indonesia yg agak nyeleneh, sampe bikin mobil tersendiri buat pasar Indonesia, dan ajaibnya mereka cukup laku juga....
Contoh;
Mitsu L300, yg disini gk ganti model sejak 1982 (di luar negeri sudah discontinue akhir 80an)
Carry Futura& T120SS (Setau ane gk ada di negara lain, sejak 1991 gk ganti model CMIIW)
Isuzu Panther (Gk ganti model sejak 2001 Klo gk salah. Walau skrg udh gk laku)
Isuzu Elf (Luar negeri udh major change bbrp tahun lalu, disini cm ganti grille dgn yg lebih banyak chrome)
Truk Fuso Kepala orange jg setau ane udh lama bgt, di luar negeri udh jd barang antik.

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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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Discontinue disini maksudnya udh ga di produksi atau di jual lg di indo kan? Kalo iya :

1. Chevrolet cruze, krn option compact sedan tdk ada yg menarik sbelum civic FC lahir di indo. Apalagi kalo cruze facelift masuk, yg plat nomor belakang turun ke bumper. Indah.
(Entah knp ane suka liat sedan yg pantatnya polos, plat di bumper. Sebut saja mazda 6 yg lama, pug 406, pug 408, dst)

2. Galant hiu V6, krn medium sedan tidak ada lagi yg manual, 2500cc, v6, aggresive styling, performance oriented.

3. Teana v6 j32, krn medium sedan ini unik, baik dr mesin yg v6, maupun bahasa design yg sampe skrg masih terlihat wah.

4. Hyundai i20 CRDi, krn sampe skrg tdk ada lagi sub compact hatchback diesel. Paling obatnya hanya fiesta ecoboost yg karakternya mirip.

5. Ford focus TDCi, krn tdk ada lagi compact hatchback diesel. Paling obatnya ya focus ecoboost yg karakternya mirip.

6. City GM2, krn mnurut saya modelnya bakal timeless. Unik patah patah tapi tdk seperti patahnya model 90s. GM6 skrg lebih rounded.
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daftar wrote:
piggypig77 wrote:ane sih sayang grandis udah discontinue padahal modelnya cakep n bisa jdi pilihan bagi org yg punya budget 300-400 jutaan mau cari mpv,slama ini mpv cuma ada innova aja (carens n orlando ane ga itung karna ga imbang sama innova). btw knp ada pilihan taruna ya,kan udah ada terios?
ane juga mau ngomong grandis juga.., :mky_01:

mobil ini masih cakep kalopun dirilis tahun sekarang
please mitsy, release grandis again with 4D56 engine option
Mnurut ane design grandis rada timeless karna dia elegan n spt estate or station wagon,tinggal update fitur n kasi pilihan mesin bensin yg powerful ama 4n15. :big_smoking: Btw di dunia grandis masi dijual ga ya? Kayaknya mobil bergenre gini kurang peminatnya di indo ya? eh mobilio laku deh
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coklatMetalik wrote:
newrubble wrote:market indo itu relatively small ..... ibarat minority shareholder cuma ada minority vote power

buat apa principal hrs dengar selevel majority
Nah mengenai hal ini, ajaibnya ada aja merk yg mau dengerin kemauan sebagian konsumen Indonesia yg agak nyeleneh, sampe bikin mobil tersendiri buat pasar Indonesia, dan ajaibnya mereka cukup laku juga....
Contoh;
Mitsu L300, yg disini gk ganti model sejak 1982 (di luar negeri sudah discontinue akhir 80an)
Carry Futura& T120SS (Setau ane gk ada di negara lain, sejak 1991 gk ganti model CMIIW)
Isuzu Panther (Gk ganti model sejak 2001 Klo gk salah. Walau skrg udh gk laku)
Isuzu Elf (Luar negeri udh major change bbrp tahun lalu, disini cm ganti grille dgn yg lebih banyak chrome)
Truk Fuso Kepala orange jg setau ane udh lama bgt, di luar negeri udh jd barang antik.

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L300 itu production tools rental scheme .....

smua yg ada sampai skrg itu dibuat full manufacturing dgn cara royalty based (sy yg bikin contract dia dgn krama yudha)

isuzu bison yg skrg itu pakai CKD-kit inventory surplus ex ford husky (south africa) dgn tools ex chrysler ostrali dgn pakai production lane ex krama yudha yg nganggur

total royalty quota max 2,000,000 units n ssdh itu subject to nego ..... tanya sj gunaevy kalo mau lbh jelas .... dulu dia wapresdir skaligus contact person u local (ky) side

t120ss/suzie c.futura itu inherit masalalu saat india blm dilirik n sempat export ke pakistan (blind van), malay, fiji, PNG .... wkt itu indo sangat menarik krn mmg blm ada CKD-component import duty

isuzu panther juga inherit masalalu n bukan cuma di indo sj .... di russian market sy masih sering liat di bbrp airport trmsk moscow n st.petersburg (isuzu auv) .... di taiwan juga (sy lupa namanya) .... di pinoy itu bgitu byk (crosswind) .... india juga ada (pakai chevy emblem)

tapi maksut komentar sy sblm yg ini adalah .... indo dm sdh tdk bgitu semenarik sblm thn 2000 krn dulu janjinya govt mau kasih incentive kalo full manufacturing tapi skrg malah CKD supporting parts yg imported malah kena xtra import duty

masalalu sy tdk mau utak utik
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kalo fuso itu krn krama yudha side ... tdk mau jual shares ke (saat itu) daimler chrysler pd wkt fuso global acquisition (2003-2005) saat volvo participation beralih ke dc

deal wkt itu adalah ky bebas full manufacturing existing lineups (royalty based) dan utk tiap model change hrs beli CKD kit ex thai dengan vendor purchase based

itu knapa lineups di indo tdk global update
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:frm_salut:
Mulai paham ane...
Jd intinya skrg gk menguntungkan secara bisnis untuk bikin model yg khusus untuk Indonesian market (trmasuk menghidupkan lg mobil2 di thread ini) kecuali ada kontrak2 khusus seperti kasus kramayudha...

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bgitu juga knapa maz MR90 series stop krn dua hal:

failure to meet medium production quota (ada table nya yg sy tdk bole disclose);

production tools rental in usd and charge per unit done.

on pt national motors qq indomobil failure to pay outstanding the jap principal shall terminate the right to import, produce, assemble, sell, aftersale-care all mazda products in indo from pt national motors qq indomobil (dan itu terjadi thn 2005)

krn itu maz exit from indomobil n itu garagara xperiment MR90 n vantrend yg gagal total
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Ada sebagian discontinue emang karema produl global nya juga gak ngeluarin versi baru nya lagi
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Re: Too Good to be Discontinued

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contoh daihatsu be-go atau kalo disini sebutannya terior & rush.

di jepangnya kayak ga ada kelanjutannya..


tapi orang indonesia inovasi tiada henti, dikasih lah aerokit, dibedakin, dikasih akte nama yang panjang,

biar selalu "super-all-grand-ultimate-new-rash"
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kalo beda lifetime JDM vs indoDM

kita bicara economic scale yg ahirnya biz efficiency

sy saat masih di abac pernah tanya 'ted' (skrg dia sdh pensiun dr tam n owner satu tyt retail chain) ..... brp unit ..... BEP per lineup

dia jwp ... JDM 5,000 per lifetime...... indoDM (CKD)**1,000 per annum

**tam full manufacturing level

dia bilang .... bkn krn tam inefficient tapi krn biz barrier yg tinggi di indo n sbgn besar datang dr govt
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PRBS wrote:contoh daihatsu be-go atau kalo disini sebutannya terior & rush.

di jepangnya kayak ga ada kelanjutannya..


tapi orang indonesia inovasi tiada henti, dikasih lah aerokit, dibedakin, dikasih akte nama yang panjang,

biar selalu "super-all-grand-ultimate-new-rash"
iya... ane liat di web toyota, rush dari jaman kapan sampe sekarang ga beda, cuma beda interface websitenya aja :mky_03:

masih sama dan ttp available yg 5 seater only CMIIW
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newrubble wrote:kalo beda lifetime JDM vs indoDM

kita bicara economic scale yg ahirnya biz efficiency

sy saat masih di abac pernah tanya 'ted' (skrg dia sdh pensiun dr tam n owner satu tyt retail chain) ..... brp unit ..... BEP per lineup

dia jwp ... JDM 5,000 per lifetime...... indoDM (CKD)**1,000 per annum

**tam full manufacturing level

dia bilang .... bkn krn tam inefficient tapi krn biz barrier yg tinggi di indo n sbgn besar datang dr govt
1,000 per annum sebenernya termasuk kecil ya untuk mobil MPV,, tapi kenapa isuzu & mitsubishi gak berani ngeluarin line up baru untuk melawan avanza & innova ya :mky_01:
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isuzu panther mk.1 itu pakai meter cluster ex isuzu gemini mk.2 rearlamp pair pakai ex holden shuttle .... dashboard ex isuzu fargo

kalo makanan ini gadogado .... krn namanya basic vehicle for developing (low compliance) market pastinya hrs sebisa mungkin pakai components dari available lineups

apalagi saat itu pt pantja (ruang) motor masih semi bumn (ex ctc group) mana mau govt indo kluar wang byk

sebetulnya saat itu naming plan bukan isuzu panther tapi isuzu macan dan mau pakai 1983 isuzu fargo tapi satu board member insisted (alm giri suseno) insisted hrs bonneted model
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Another question: Adakah yg tau Knapa KramaYudha selama bbrp tahun gk jualan MPV samasekali setelah Kuda dibunuh, Maven dibunuh,, Grandis dibunuh. Baru ada rencana jual MPV lg sekarang2 ini yg prototypenya konon mau muncul di GIIAS. Apakah dianggap kurang menguntungkan,, atau karena ada agreement tertentu?
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maven bukan discontinue tapi quota dia abis

sy cuma sedikit tau ttg kuda
naming background: shio gunaevy adalah kuda (coba liat patung binatang apa diatas graha krama yudha milik dia di warung buncit)

total imported ckd kit: 55,000
total assembled ckd: 49,206 (1999end-2005)

kuda itu pure project nya kang gun n stop krn shares dia (ex pt new marwa 1970) dibeli principal

wang itu dia pakai u perkuat prabu motor group milik dia pribadi dan overseas auto investment dia di vietnam (sadaco group=saigon diamond auto company yg jualan mitsi CKD indo n CKD india/thai)