Honda stop penjualan Cr-v turbo di China

[Senargitar]

BEIJING (Reuters) - Japan’s Honda Motor Co (7267.T) has halted new sales of CR-V crossovers in China and may have to do the same with its Civic model after a Chinese watchdog rejected the automaker’s plan to recall 350,000 of the cars to fix a problem.

The company had planned to address a cold-climate engine problem on two of its top-selling models in two phases, recalling CR-V sport utility vehicles from late February and Civics from early March.

A Honda spokesman said on Friday China’s quality control watchdog considered its plan insufficient, leading Honda to stop sales of new CR-Vs until a new recall plan had been agreed.

The company’s problems in the world’s biggest auto market highlight what appears to be an emerging trend, where Chinese customers air their complaints on Weibo - the country’s Twitter equivalent - and other social media, forcing carmakers to act.

With complaints from CR-V and Civic owners pouring out in mid-January, Honda devised a recall plan in only about a month.

Honda had said on Feb. 12 it intended to recall roughly 350,000 CR-Vs and Civics equipped with a 1.5-litre turbo engine. Both affected models have been sold by Honda’s joint venture with China’s Dongfeng Motor Group Co Ltd (0489.HK).

The Honda spokesman said company officials earlier this week went to China’s General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine to explain its plan.

On Thursday, the agency said in a statement on its official website that Honda’s proposals were“not enough.”

“The company needs to improve the recall plans further,” it said, suggesting Honda could extend the warranty coverage period of the affected cars.

The Honda spokesman said its officials were expected to go back to the agency with a revised plan soon. He did not elaborate.

The recalls are aimed at fixing a problem caused by an unusual amount of un-combusted petrol collecting in the engine’s lubricant oil pan.

The issue in some cases caused a strong odor of gasoline inside the car and in others the car’s check-engine light came on. Honda and Dongfeng plan to resolve the issue by updating the engine’s gasoline injection control software.

Honda officials said there had been no reports of accidents.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hond ... SKCN1GE1P8

berkaca dari kasus crv turbo di cina ini, ada gak ada ya di Indonesia ini lembaga yang bisa paksa produsen utk recall ataupun stop penjualan mobil2 bermasalah.

[Winz]

Mesin Ci Air Pi di tiongkok sama indonesia sama?

berarti bukan hanya kasus CiBo kemarin, memang cacat produk

[turbine888]

Wah kacau nih. Kira2 langkah apa yg bakal HPM ambil? Recall, Silent Recall, “Program servis gratis”, atau diam saja dan memberi edukasi

[anrico17]

Kasusnya kayaknya beda sama yang masuk berita kemaren.... Kalo gini kayaknya mesin 1.5 turbo honda ini emang masalah dari pertama kali lahir....

Tapi hpm kan termasuk yang rajin recall atau paling gk malu.... Itu hrv jazz baru aja sempet recall kalo gk salah.... Soal brake master cylinder

[banglontong]

wah sepertinya emang kalo mesin baru mesti lebih ati2 juga ya.. mesti liat ketahanannya gimana selama setahun 2 tahun kl perlu.. kemaren uda ada kasus cibo disini trus liat berita gini apakah artinya honda uda mukai turun kualitasnya di dunia? jadi tambah ragu beli cibo hb

[Rundeer]

Yg punya cibo n crvbo bakal ngeri ngeri syedap...
Berarti yg kasus kmrn itu mmg murni cacat produk

[grandis_GT]

Untuk Indonesia Time Will tell

[ChZ]

Beda kasus deh sama kasusnya um 171DJI... ini masalah di iklim dingin ... ada bbrp molekul bahan bakar yg g ikut kebakar

The company had planned to address a cold-climate engine problem on two of its top-selling models in two phases, recalling CR-V sport utility vehicles from late February and Civics from early March.

The recalls are aimed at fixing a problem caused by an unusual amount of un-combusted petrol collecting in the engine’s lubricant oil pan.

The issue in some cases caused a strong odor of gasoline inside the car and in others the car’s check-engine light came on. Honda and Dongfeng plan to resolve the issue by updating the engine’s gasoline injection control software.

bkn saya yang nyimpulin sendiri ya, ni beritanya yang ngomong...

klo unit di indo... tunggu aj berita dr honda automobile thailand...

[antekakio]

Apa krn ini di thailand crv gk dpt mesin 1.5T???


Eh ada civic ding, walaupun ada issue overheat di early unit. gak tau deh udh gak ada issue itu lg atau tidak.

Kalau saya sh dari pada was-was mending tahan dulu aja beli mbl pake mesin ini. Paling engga sampai fl lah. Walau dikata utk cold climate bla bla ttp aja artinya ada suatu kecacatan di mesin ini.

Lagipun kucing gila a.k.a madcat juga udh blg di trit cibo utk hindari any honda turbo, walau dia tdk menjelaskan lbh rinci

[Mz175]

BEIJING (Reuters) - Japan’s Honda Motor Co (7267.T) has halted new sales of CR-V crossovers in China and may have to do the same with its Civic model after a Chinese watchdog rejected the automaker’s plan to recall 350,000 of the cars to fix a problem.

The company had planned to address a cold-climate engine problem on two of its top-selling models in two phases, recalling CR-V sport utility vehicles from late February and Civics from early March.

A Honda spokesman said on Friday China’s quality control watchdog considered its plan insufficient, leading Honda to stop sales of new CR-Vs until a new recall plan had been agreed.

The company’s problems in the world’s biggest auto market highlight what appears to be an emerging trend, where Chinese customers air their complaints on Weibo - the country’s Twitter equivalent - and other social media, forcing carmakers to act.

With complaints from CR-V and Civic owners pouring out in mid-January, Honda devised a recall plan in only about a month.

Honda had said on Feb. 12 it intended to recall roughly 350,000 CR-Vs and Civics equipped with a 1.5-litre turbo engine. Both affected models have been sold by Honda’s joint venture with China’s Dongfeng Motor Group Co Ltd (0489.HK).

The Honda spokesman said company officials earlier this week went to China’s General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine to explain its plan.

On Thursday, the agency said in a statement on its official website that Honda’s proposals were“not enough.”

“The company needs to improve the recall plans further,” it said, suggesting Honda could extend the warranty coverage period of the affected cars.

The Honda spokesman said its officials were expected to go back to the agency with a revised plan soon. He did not elaborate.

The recalls are aimed at fixing a problem caused by an unusual amount of un-combusted petrol collecting in the engine’s lubricant oil pan.

The issue in some cases caused a strong odor of gasoline inside the car and in others the car’s check-engine light came on. Honda and Dongfeng plan to resolve the issue by updating the engine’s gasoline injection control software.

Honda officials said there had been no reports of accidents.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hond ... SKCN1GE1P8

berkaca dari kasus crv turbo di cina ini, ada gak ada ya di Indonesia ini lembaga yang bisa paksa produsen utk recall ataupun stop penjualan mobil2 bermasalah.

Kalau saya baca. Honda udah mau recall. Tapi lembaga itu maunya selain recall, honda harus memperpanjang garansi unit yg bermasalah. Jadi honda kyk dipaksa ngikut pengennya lembaga itu.

Tapi hebat jg bisa sampe maksa honda ngikut pengennya mereka.

[alexwiranata]

Numpang nanya, itu crv turbo nya apa sama yg di jual diindo? Spek engine dan komponen lainnya?

[Suryaputra]

Cold climate spt itu ?..
extreme climate risk of overheat dsb

Teknologi baru emg butuh trial and error, apalagi klo melihat mesin dgn kapasitas "sekecil" itu, tapi "diboost" untuk bisa provide power = kapasitas mesin normal hampir 2x lipat

Prefer mesin N/A aja lah

[ChZ]

Cold climate spt itu ?..
extreme climate risk of overheat dsb

Teknologi baru emg butuh trial and error, apalagi klo melihat mesin dgn kapasitas "sekecil" itu, tapi "diboost" untuk bisa provide power = kapasitas mesin normal hampir 2x lipat

Prefer mesin N/A aja lah

Di indo ketambahan extreme traffic condition... Yang risky klo cooling system gak bener.

Contohnya bnyk supercar ko'it di kemacetan krn gak dapet cooling yang proper. Buat pengguna mesin small displacement turbo pasti ngerasain klo habis kena macet itu tarikan mobil jadi geblek... lag nya ampun ampunan... di N/A jg kerasa tp di turbo berasa lbh parah.

Nah... Most engine skrg masalahnya boosted. Klo kata kenalan saya, honda bikin tech turbo nanggung, desain IC nya blom water to air IC... Contoh yg dah pake Lexus 2.0 Turbo...

Dan Petrol turbo lebih risky daripada diesel turbo... Tapi ya diliat aja deh, since di US dan UK yang merupakan pasar terbesarnya H blom kedengeran issue apa apa. Klo user kayak ane ya g bisa apa-apa selain nikmatin mblnya, lah gmn mosok dijual... kilo aja blom tembus 1000

Yes bring back B series and old K series

[sendguruh]

gmn mo beli crv turbo nih, mau beli ada masalah, pdhl duitnya jg gk ada juga, wkwkwkwkww

[sintoni]

Mirip engine flooding di Mazda rotary engine ini.

[fizrmen]

Cold climate spt itu ?..
extreme climate risk of overheat dsb

Teknologi baru emg butuh trial and error, apalagi klo melihat mesin dgn kapasitas "sekecil" itu, tapi "diboost" untuk bisa provide power = kapasitas mesin normal hampir 2x lipat

Prefer mesin N/A aja lah

Di indo ketambahan extreme traffic condition... Yang risky klo cooling system gak bener.

Contohnya bnyk supercar ko'it di kemacetan krn gak dapet cooling yang proper. Buat pengguna mesin small displacement turbo pasti ngerasain klo habis kena macet itu tarikan mobil jadi geblek... lag nya ampun ampunan... di N/A jg kerasa tp di turbo berasa lbh parah.

Nah... Most engine skrg masalahnya boosted. Klo kata kenalan saya, honda bikin tech turbo nanggung, desain IC nya blom water to air IC... Contoh yg dah pake Lexus 2.0 Turbo...

Dan Petrol turbo lebih risky daripada diesel turbo... Tapi ya diliat aja deh, since di US dan UK yang merupakan pasar terbesarnya H blom kedengeran issue apa apa. Klo user kayak ane ya g bisa apa-apa selain nikmatin mblnya, lah gmn mosok dijual... kilo aja blom tembus 1000

Yes bring back B series and old K series

idem

[jivos]

Ic nya blm water to air cooler ?
efektif mana water to air vs air to air thd overheat? Biem, merc, subbie, traxpk yg mn?
Xixixi...sorry oot banyakan nanya.
vag line up sdh water to air ya? ...cmiiw.

Small engine with turbo...dr baca" iya ada bbrp downsize nya.

[Winz]

Klo berita ini masuk media2 otomotif besar, bisa stress HPM, bisa2 nyungsep penjualan CiBo dan CRVbo, januari 2018 aja ud ga masuk 20 besar lagi crvbo

[Cloud]

Denger2 ada kesalahan pemasangan ring piston yang menyebabkn baret/kerusakan silinder, terus ada kasus overheat, terus oil dillution. Sepertinya memang hrs ganti engine. Batch selanjutnya semoga tidak

[Suryaputra]

Cold climate spt itu ?..
extreme climate risk of overheat dsb

Teknologi baru emg butuh trial and error, apalagi klo melihat mesin dgn kapasitas "sekecil" itu, tapi "diboost" untuk bisa provide power = kapasitas mesin normal hampir 2x lipat

Prefer mesin N/A aja lah

Di indo ketambahan extreme traffic condition... Yang risky klo cooling system gak bener.

Contohnya bnyk supercar ko'it di kemacetan krn gak dapet cooling yang proper. Buat pengguna mesin small displacement turbo pasti ngerasain klo habis kena macet itu tarikan mobil jadi geblek... lag nya ampun ampunan... di N/A jg kerasa tp di turbo berasa lbh parah.

Nah... Most engine skrg masalahnya boosted. Klo kata kenalan saya, honda bikin tech turbo nanggung, desain IC nya blom water to air IC... Contoh yg dah pake Lexus 2.0 Turbo...

Dan Petrol turbo lebih risky daripada diesel turbo... Tapi ya diliat aja deh, since di US dan UK yang merupakan pasar terbesarnya H blom kedengeran issue apa apa. Klo user kayak ane ya g bisa apa-apa selain nikmatin mblnya, lah gmn mosok dijual... kilo aja blom tembus 1000

Yes bring back B series and old K series

Old school vtec just kick-in yo

Diesel turbo udh jadi sesuatu yg mainstream, karena konstruksi mesin diesel sendiri emg dah bawaan orok harus solid dan lbh rigid dr gasoline engine.

Tanpa turbo aja udh Higher compression klo mesin diesel.. bis damri aja dah turbo diesel

[kendibocor]

Klo berita ini masuk media2 otomotif besar, bisa stress HPM, bisa2 nyungsep penjualan CiBo dan CRVbo, januari 2018 aja ud ga masuk 20 besar lagi crvbo

Gpp om biar diskonnya makin gede

Setidaknya pemerintahnya berani ngambil keputusan yg menyangkut keselamatan warganya. Ya mereka negara kaya sih, saya rasa pemerintahnya ga takut ga dpt pajak dr 1 merk saja.

[vipere]

Biasa. Kalo ada recall di luar negeri, alasan ngeles atpm di sini bilang mesinnya beda. Kayak produk yg masuk sini udah paling perfect aja.

[apoge]

Produsen indo biasanya bilang gini : tenang beda pabrikan yg di indo aman.

[sefkaz]

Klo berita ini masuk media2 otomotif besar, bisa stress HPM, bisa2 nyungsep penjualan CiBo dan CRVbo, januari 2018 aja ud ga masuk 20 besar lagi crvbo

good, which mean additional discout , dan kebeli deh CiBo Hatchback.. semoga pas kebeli sudah ngga ada masalah

[Winz]

Klo berita ini masuk media2 otomotif besar, bisa stress HPM, bisa2 nyungsep penjualan CiBo dan CRVbo, januari 2018 aja ud ga masuk 20 besar lagi crvbo

good, which mean additional discout , dan kebeli deh CiBo Hatchback.. semoga pas kebeli sudah ngga ada masalah

anehnya media otomotif besar atau pun media besar lainnya ga ada masukin berita ini, uda dinegosiasi sama om John Peace mungkin