subaru forester 2000 cc vs nissan xtrail 2000 cc

[gioprivatemove]

Subaru lah... mobil enak. pengalaman sih pake yg WRX, all wheel drivenya gak ada matinye.

[jokosuryo1254]

mobil bagus, sayang orang kita brand minded

[FortunerMan]

mobil bagus, sayang orang kita brand minded

Orang mana sih yang gak brand-minded?

Subaru juga brand yg terkenal, a world-class auto maker. Cuman di Indonesia mereka gak turun penuh dengan dealer network and after sales servicenya - memang agak serem belinya...gak kaya Nissan udah dimana mana di Indonesia.

[roadtrain99]

emang ada gitu subaru ngeluarin 2wd?
setau gw, semua subaru mah emang std nya udah AWD, sejak 96 klo ga salah, pas gw nonton rally jaman heboh nya impreza WRX di WRC oleh alm. collin mcrae..wah masih jaman2nya juha kankunnen, tommy makinen, francois delecour. didier auriol..dll

sorry oot, btw, ga perlu omongin resale value utk dua mobil ini. Yg satu subaru, org indo jarang kenal. Yg satunya lagi juara nenggak bensin. Kalo gw sih pilih subaru lah. Gw pernah liat test forester yg era akhir 90an, wah gile..suara boxer nya..muantap! bruubruubrubb...tar tar tar dor *anti turbo lag* brubrubrbbur..

[Abu2]

mobil bagus, sayang orang kita brand minded

bukannya sekarang brand subaru (produksi Fuji heavy industries) sebagian besar saham nya juga di miliki oleh Toyota? berarti ya rasa2 toyota jg lah...

Ehh..tp kenapa nama perusahaaan yg produksi subaru itu Fuji heavy industries? -cmiiw

[gioprivatemove]

karena gunung fuji di jepang, wakakakak. heavy industries ya memang produksinya mobil-2 yg tahan banting, sudah terbukti di dunia rally.

[Abu2]

yap, fuji heavi bikin lift, bikin kapal, bikin machinery, dan bikin mobil jg (subaru)...tp gak tau deh apa core bisnis nya memang bikin mobil ato nggak....

[GTR]

nah yamaha itu core bisnisnya apa juga ya, secara toyota juga kerjasama dgn yamaha klo develop bbrp mesin klo ga salah. apa toyota juga ada saham di yamaha...
trus isunya toyota juga ada saham di isuzu dan hino yah..

[Abu2]

begitu jg mitsubishi dan hyundai...
bikin lift dan kapal2 tanker mereka...

[GTR]

ud gitu saham mazda isunya mau dilepas oleh ford, bakal "disikat" toyota juga ga yah?

[Abu2]

gimana kalo kita aja saweran menyikatnya om GTR?...hiahihaahhahiaaa
emang tuh toyota, semua disikat, mau jadi penguasa no 1 di dunia dia....


yap, di isuzu dan hino mereka punya, mnrt yg gw baca(lupa dimana). Toyota, melalui isuzu, sedang mengembangkan Big MPv diesel , mau nyaingin everest kalee

[GTR]

wah ternyata bener ada saham di yamaha juga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_Motor_Company

utilize daihatsu buat bagian dari develop mobil kecil.
hino buat trailer vehicle.
subaru buat Awd sportscar.
yamaha buat bagian dari develop mesin bensin.
isuzu buat develop diesel.
bisa2 mazda juga kena giliran nih kalo ford ga bisa cari pembeli potensial jaman gini..

lama2 toyota dominasi punya saham di semua merk mobil jepang deh...... tapi apa lama2 rasa "asli" toyota nya makin pudar yah...kaya toyoda..

[nescafe]

ud gitu saham mazda isunya mau dilepas oleh ford, bakal "disikat" toyota juga ga yah?

beneran nih bang? wah.. ntar di tahun2 mendatang, kalau toyota beneran menyikat mazda, parts2nya bisa tukeran.. seperti ford dgn mazda.. (beberapa)

[GTR]

bukan gitu persis, tapi ford kan saat ini lagi kesulitan kayanya.
nah, klo mau lepas saham mazdanya, calon pembeli yg masih kuat jaman gini siapa coba..

[Abu2]

As reported on its consolidated financial statements, Toyota has 540 consolidated subsidiaries and 226 affiliates.

Toyota Motor North America (100% - 2004)
Toyota Tsusho - Trading company for the Toyota Group
Toyota Canada Inc. owned via Toyota Motor North America
Daihatsu Motor Company (51.2% - March 31, 2006)
Lexus 100% (1989)
Scion 100% (2003)
DENSO (24.74% - September 30, 2006)
Toyota Industries (23.51% - March 31, 2006
Aisin Seiki Co. (23.0% - September 30, 2006)
Fuji Heavy Industries (16.66% - June 28, 2008)
Isuzu Motors (5,9% - November 10, 2006)
PT Toyota Astra Motor (49% - 2003)
PT Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indonesia (95% - 2003

gileee jg si toyo ini yah..

[nescafe]

hmm.. iya sih.. kandidat terkuat cm toyota,,

akan seperti apa yah, kalau benar2 terjadi?

[GTR]

iya dulunya buat develop matic nya join dgn Borg-warner (US, 1960an), tapi setelah serap tech-nya & bisa develop sendiri, pisah deh di thn 80an.
itu Denso punya toyota, ga usah bikin mobil, cuma bikin a/c & electric nya aja mah udah lumayan gede banget kali prsh nya.
klo gw CEO toyota, incar saham ban bridgestone juga deh (bridgestone masi blm krn blm mau jual ke toyo kali)...

tapi bener, cara win the global market spt ini memang jitu, kuasai pemain besar hulu2 nya pelan2.
klo udah gini kan kompetitornya biasanya makin hindari 100% bergantung dari supplier prsh kompetitornya dan jadi hrs develop-invest sendiri yg costly&Hi-risk, & biasanya makin mengalami kesulitan bersaing dgn supplier pemain besar.
sedangkan kalo belanja parts hulu yg di-supply prsh kompetitor, haram dilakukan kali secara malah masuk ke kompetitor.
no wonder, sebagian model honda dulu a/c nya ada yg sanden, relay2nya merk Omron, busi nya NGK (juga mitsubishi).

duh toyota masih bergerak di mobil (walaupun udah ada saham di yamaha), klo ud bergerak di sepedamotor juga, wah honda mah dihabisin jadi produsen sepedamotor nomor kesekian kali..

[billyd1773dz]

dari otomotifnet review subaru forester 2.5XT

OTOMOTIFNET - Subaru meluncurkan varian berpenampilan baru. Forester generasi ketiga ini dirancang lebih besar dibanding pendahulunya. Ada beberapa keuntungan dari dimensi yang berubah ini, meski itu pun belumlah terlalu sempurna. Selain tipe 2.500 cc yang dilego Rp 385 juta (on the road, Jabodetabek) ada juga dengan mesin 2.000 cc 2. (Rp 298 juta, on the road, Jabodetabek). OTOMOTIF menjajal tunggangan dengan mesin boxer dengan turbo dan intercooler ini.

Suspensi Empuk

Fitur yang menyenangkan hingga kursi baris kedua
Ruang bagasi luas, nilai tambah dari sebuah SUV

Meski fisiknya tak jauh berbeda dibanding tipe 2., tipe teratas ini menggunakan mesin lebih besar. Forester 2. menggunakan mesin boxer 4 silinder 2.000 cc tanpa turbo, sementara 2.5XT, memboyong dapur pacu boxer 4 silinder 2.500 cc dengan tambahan daya dari turbo dan intercooler. Makanya, berbeda dengan versi 2.000 cc, kap mesin tipe 2.5XT ini dilengkapi air scoop untuk mendinginkan intercooler.

Jelas, mesin dengan daya puncak 226,7 dk/5.200 rpm dan torsi 320 Nm/2.800 rpm membuatnya mudah untuk ngebut. Perpindahan transmisi pun terasa masih berimbang dengan tarikan kuat mesinnya. Apalagi, kalau dibejek di atas permukaan jalan tak rata, suspensinya lebih empuk dengan ayunan lebih minim dibanding versi terdahulu. Ini akibat wheelbase lebih jauh 90 mm dibanding generasi kedua yang jarak sumbu rodanya 2.525 mm.

Begitu juga pengaruh wheeltrack alias jarak pijak roda yang lebih lebar, seiring tubuh yang tambah melar 45 mm. Ayunan bodi pun tak terlalu ajrut-ajrutan. Namun sayangnya, suspensi ini jadi terlalu lembut kala dibejek lebih kencang di atas aspal. Kesan limbung pun lebih terasa. Apalagi tubuhnya lebih jangkung 50 mm. Memang sih, kondisi ini memberi ruang lebih besar di atas kepala orang di dalam kabin.

Beruntunglah, sistem penggerak roda AWD plus konfigurasi mesin boxer yang relatif membuat titik berat ada di bawah, membuat mobil ini masih mudah dikendalikan. Tetapi, dengan penggerak empat roda ini, perlu disadari karakter understeer (mobil cenderung lurus) saat menikung dengan pedal gas dibejek.


Jadi, kala menikung perlu kordinasi setir dan pedal gas yang lebih baik, agar efek ini bisa direduksi. Namun, pada Forester terdapat peranti yang menggantikan ‘kerja’ buat pengemudi ini, dengan VDCS (Vehicle Dynamic Control System) dibuat untuk mengeliminasi gejala ini kala menikung cepat. Walaupun saat dicoba, masih perlu juga peran pengemudi untuk mengendalikannya agar lebih baik lagi.

Secara keseluruhan Subaru menyajikan SUV dengan keasyikan tersendiri kala dikendarai. Belum lagi dengan berbagai kelengkapan yang pas buat pelesir, seperti ruang bagasi luas, plus sunroof yang jadi standarnya.

Satu hal lagi, ada yang tak dimiliki beberapa rivalnya, seperti Nissan X-Trail, Honda CR-V dan Ford Escape maupun Suzuki Grand Vitara, yaitu penggerak 4 roda!

298jt = 2lt boxer 4cyld 150ps AWD AT triptonik
385jt=2.5ltr boxer 4cyldr turbo 226ps 320nm AWD AT triptonik

worth bngt tuh hargannya......

syang dealernya kaga ada d bandung...........

thx

[GTR]

nah loh, menyusul isu ford lepas saham mazda, isunya GM juga mau jual saham suzuki...
hayo toyota mana nih, sikat semua nya, kesempatan bagus buat nawar yg lagi BU...

[jokosuryo1254]

mana, harga saham lagi turun..........

[GTR]

motortrend 2009 SUV Of The Year :
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv ... index.html

[jokosuryo1254]

Subaru FORESTER 2.0-litre XT

Most 4x4s Are Dull To Drive. Not This One. Jonathan Crouch Checks Out Subaru's Forester XT

A compact four-wheel drive vehicle is the thing to have right now - or so the sales figures would seem to suggest. Certainly, this is the sector being targeted by Subaru's capable Forester.

The way the importers tell it, this is a rather clever vehicle. Though not intended for extreme off road conditions, it can nevertheless cope with muddy tracks, rocky roads and most of the other conditions encountered by the average 4x4 owner. You pay, in other words, only for the ability you need. Not surprisingly, thanks to this approach, the all-wheel drive hardware is simpler and lighter.

Which means better fuel consumption, more agile handling and crucially, pokier performance. Exactly how much can be achieved through this approach is emphasised particularly by Subarus potent Forester 2.0-litre XT. Since under the skin, the ordinary Forester 2.

0-litre X model is based entirely on the company's entry-level Impreza hatchback, the use of the 2.0-litre turbo unit from the potent Impreza WRX for the Forester 2.0 XT is a logical step forward. Nevertheless, it still comes as quite a shock to discover that a car as practical as this can make sixty in 7.

7 seconds on the way to 125mph. Thats not quite as quick as the equivalent Impreza but only because Subaru has re-tuned the turbo engine to provide more usable power for 4x4 work. The result is that the XTs peak torque of 181lb ft is down on the Imprezas 214lb ft, but crucially, its produced at 3,200rpm as opposed to 4,000rpm. Those desiring even more power can upgrade to the 210bhp 2.

5-litre Forester XT model which returns a 0-60mph time of 6.0s.

"It comes as quite a shock to discover that a car as practical as this can make sixty in 7.7 seconds...

Its nice to know theres an abundance of torque on tap when youre ploughing through boggy conditions and need plenty of low-down grunt to keep you moving. This also means that the 2.0 XT is as good as the standard 2.0-litre Forester for towing caravans and heavy trailers.

In fact, its better: the braked towing limit is up from 1,500 to 1,800kg. If you were familiar with the old first generation S-Turbo Forester, youll need to know that hollow camshafts, lightweight valve gear on the turbo engine have made it smoother, more tractable and cleaner. Other XT tweaks include larger diameter anti-roll bars, modified power steering and a limited slip differential for the rear axle much as youd find on an Impreza WRX. As you might expect, the brakes have also been upgraded to cope with the extra performance, with 375mm ventilated discs on the front and ventilated 350mm discs at the rear.

Like the ordinary Forester, ABS is standard; you do however, get beefier 16-inch alloys shod with 215/60 R16 tyres on the XT. Just in case the neighbours overlook all of that, theres an Impreza WRX-style bonnet scoop. Which is a useful reminder out on the road that this boxy 4x4 shares plenty of its siblings manic exuberance. To be frank, it feels even quicker than it actually is, the sheer unlikeliness of this unprepossessing estate cars turn of pace prompting pedal to the metal progress.

It corners superbly too, flat and hard, all of a piece. Try to upset it and it behaves very tidily. Overall, there aren't too many sports coupes that can hold a candle to the Forester when it comes to handling. Part of the reason why is that the development staff at Subaru are all mad about cars in the same way that possibly only Porsche and BMW M division employees are. They live, breathe, eat and sleep performance and the Forester is evidence of that trickle down effect. The emphasis is clearly on dynamic excellence.

This second generation Forester is slightly shorter than its predecessor but a handy bit wider, especially when it comes to rear seat accommodation. Weight saving seems to have become something of a preoccupation. The bonnet, roof rails, sunroof frame and bumper beams are now fabricated from lightweight aluminium. Even the anti roll bars are now hollow tubes.

Interior ambience still isnt the Foresters strongest point, despite the obvious improvements that have been made to the second generation model. Having said that, its easy to see why so many customers prefer it to traditional 4x4s. For a start, you dont have to step up and in. The inviting seats, reached via an easy sideways shuffle, provide tremendous support.

Firmly bolstered and fitted with fold-down armrests, they help the car score highly in the comfort quotient stakes. Other nice touches include a foam-padded compartment above your head to hold a pair of sunglasses and a secret flip-top box for valuables under the floor. There are, in fact, no fewer than twenty three separate storage spaces throughout the car, including a special fishing-rod compartment and, would you believe, a plastic bucket in the spare wheel. Its purpose? According to the importers, it depends upon your mood.

Choose between washing up and chilling Chardonnay. All Foresters are fitted with remote central locking, a Thatcham Category One alarm, a CD stereo, dual airbags, windscreen wiper de-icers and climate controlled air conditioning. Electric windows and mirrors, a tilt adjustable steering wheel and dual 12v power outlets are also fitted. The 2.

0 XT adds alloy wheels, cruise control, heated front seats and a gigantic electric sunroof. You wont buy a Forester for all its gadgets however. The key appeals are its luxury car ambience, the 200mm of ground clearance and the promise of as much four-wheel driving ability as you can probably cope with. Whichever version you select, the design features a lower centre of gravity than any of its full-time four-wheel drive rivals, yet it still offers that extra ground clearance - over say a Legacy - that could make all the difference on bumpy tracks.

Subaru learned the value of this in the forests of Carlisle, the gravel of New Zealand and the snow and ice of Scandinavia. What it means in real terms, however, is high-speed stability and handling that are the equal of many of a class-leading family saloon. A wide track and a carefully tuned suspension system help further here, plus of course that four-wheel drive system means that traction on wet and slippery roads can be taken for granted. Foresters remain sought after and you can see why.

At first glance, this one might seem to represent an acquired taste but its one you could easily end up hankering after.

FACTS AT A GLANCE

CAR: Subaru Forester 2.0-litre XT
PRICE: £21,400 - on the road
INSURANCE GROUP: 17 C02 EMISSION: 253g/km
PERFORMANCE: Max Speed 125mph/ 0-60mph 7.7s
FUEL CONSUMPTION: (average) 29mpg
STANDARD SAFETY FEATURES: Twin airbags, ABS, full-time 4wd
WILL IT FIT IN YOUR GARAGE?: Length/Width/Height, 4450/2006/1590mm

[piterr]

akselerasi nya koq beda jauh ama forester 2.0 yang di indo? apa karena yg XT itu turbo ya? forester sebelum facelift juga bagus banget menurut gw, model nya crossover gepeng, tapi jangkung..... bukan selera semua orang siiih... makanya gw seneng hehehehehe

[billyd1773dz]

bwat yang masih nyari web Subaru indonesia and alamat delernya bisa tengok sini..... barangkli mw testdrive

http://www.motorimage.net/ID/home/

syang d bdg kaga ada...

thx

[billyd1773dz]

@jokosuryo

om udah ambil forester 2.0 yah?

gw baca speknya d web di atas nemu ini

Utilising high-tolerance sensors in each wheel and throughout the Forester, advanced processing technology is able to comprehensively analyse the vehicle driving conditions at any time. This data is then fed through to the transfer clutch which adjusts the torque distribution to all four wheels providing Dual-range select lever the optimum levels of grip.

om di forester om bener ada dual rangenya? posisinya di sebelah handbrake, tulisannya Hi-Low kya tuas gtu?

duh klw iyah... 298jt dpt AWD + Low range sep bngt nih...

thx