Nissan TIIDA tahun 2006

[hdrw]

Oh come on. Saya ngak mau debate ini terus. Ngak habis habisnya. Nanti istri ke dua saya (Ms Conan) ribut lagi ama saya. Bisa ngak betah di rumah nanti !

Tenang, ada wise counselor kok, he he he ...

[observer]

Well, Mr. Obs? Wasn't this 'smartass' right all along?

You're the smartass alright!!

Now tell us, Mr Conan, is NMI going to give us the 1.5L engine or the 1.8L engine??

Spesifikasi:
1.5L 1.8L
Konsumsi Bensin 16.8km/l 16.4 km/l
Berat 1.140kg 1.170kg
hp [email protected] [email protected]
Torsi [email protected] [email protected]
Fuel Capacity 45L 52L

[observer]

Mesinnya Nissan cukup loyo dibandingkan dengan new Civic:
SPESIFIKASI NEW CIVIC
hp [email protected]
torsi [email protected]
Konsumsi bensin 17.0km/l
Tangki 50L
Bobot 1.240kg

[conan]

Well, Mr. Obs? Wasn't this 'smartass' right all along?

You're the smartass alright!!

Now tell us, Mr Conan, is NMI going to give us the 1.5L engine or the 1.8L engine??

Spesifikasi:
1.5L 1.8L
Konsumsi Bensin 16.8km/l 16.4 km/l
Berat 1.140kg 1.170kg
hp [email protected] [email protected]
Torsi [email protected] [email protected]
Fuel Capacity 45L 52L

Well, if I were them I would opt for the 1.5L (for tax advantage) and forget about the underpowered 1.8L.
But you know NMI, they just looove old models and maybe old engines, too.

[observer]

Kalau NMI jual dengan mesin 1.5L, konsumen akan membandingkannya dengan City/Vios/Yaris/Jazz dari segi harga. dan mereka akan kalah karena dianggap kemahalan!

Sebaliknya, kalau dijual dengan mesin 1.8L, konsumen mau ngak mau harus membandingkan dengan new Civic/Altis/Focus, dimana Tiida/Latio masih punya fighting chance karena harganya lebih murah.
Jadi Tiida/Latio akan makan pangsa medium/compact sedan di harga 200-220jutaan!!

Saya cukup yakin NMI akan masukin yang 1.8L. Let'se see!

[conan]

Sebaliknya, kalau dijual dengan mesin 1.8L, konsumen mau ngak mau harus membandingkan dengan new Civic/Altis/Focus, dimana Tiida/Latio masih punya fighting chance karena harganya lebih murah.
Jadi Tiida/Latio akan makan pangsa medium/compact sedan di harga 200-220jutaan!!

Well, the numbers can't lie, the people can read, and the fact is : mesin 1.8L Nissan itu hanya berdaya 128 HP, bahkan lebih rendah daripada mesin 1.7L Honda generasi lama pada Civic sekarang (130 HP), dan jauh tertinggal oleh mesin 1.8L baru Honda (140 HP with amazing fuel consumption), bahkan oleh mesin 1.8L VVTi milik Altis (over 140 HP) yang sudah ada sejak 2001.

Moreover, Mr. Obs, kalau Latio sedan dibandingkan dengan City, apalagi Vios, dia akan terasa lebih besar, tapi kalau dibandingkan dengan Civic/Altis/Focus yang sekelas di atasnya, yang masing2 sudah lebih besar daripada BMW seri-3 E46, dia malah akan terasa kecil! Think about it.

Saya cukup yakin NMI akan masukin yang 1.8L. Let'se see!

Well, I'm betting my money on the 1.5L. Kalau Nissan mau masuk ke segmen sedan 1800cc, mereka 'kan punya Bluebird Sylphy, yang menurutku stylingnya jauh lebih menarik daripada Latio.

[Herry]

Kalo gue bilang tiida ini serba tanggung, mau masukin yg 1.5 L kebentur harga yg lebih tinggi saat melawan city/vios yg udah terlebih dulu sukses.
Mau masukin yg 1.8 L bukan lawan yg pantas buat civic/altis, dilihat dari segi performance maupun dimensinya.

Kalo gue bilang tiida 1.5 maupun 1.8 semuanya kansnya kecil buat meraup pasar yg besar. Ini akibat positioning yg tidak tepat. Model (exterior) tidak bagus, performance biasa aja, apalagi yg 1.8, interior sedikit lebih lega dari vios/city tapi apa sama/lebih besar dibanding civic/altis.

Untuk lawan civic/altis lawan yg lebih pantas adalah bluebird sylphy (btw bluebird sylphy apakah next generation of nissan sentra???)

Tiida lawan mazda 3??? yg bener aja, gue 1000% pasti ambil mazda 3 walaupun (andaikata) interior mazda 3 lebih sempit. Jauh man, beda exteriornya bagai the beauty and the ugly.

Kalo nurut gue tiida mending dipositioningkan dikelasnya city aja, biarpun gak bisa menang lawan city/vios paling gak masih bisa bersaing lawan balekno... uuuppsss baleno maksudnya

[observer]

Well, I'm betting my money on the 1.5L. Kalau Nissan mau masuk ke segmen sedan 1800cc, mereka 'kan punya Bluebird Sylphy, yang menurutku stylingnya jauh lebih menarik daripada Latio.

Untuk lawan civic/altis lawan yg lebih pantas adalah bluebird sylphy (btw bluebird sylphy apakah next generation of nissan sentra???)

Ya, tapi coba teman2 baca lebih teliti artikel yang saya post sebelumnya, bahwa bluebird sylphy mungkin tidak akan diproduksi di Thailand, apalagi di Indonesia, ya gak? Oya Mr. Herry, kalau gak salah Sunny di THailand = Sentra di Indonesia.

Bangkok Post
NISSAN SUNNY

Called Bluebird Sylphy in Japan, the new Sunny follows the footsteps of its bigger Teana brother in terms of design. The theme has also been used in the Fuga and Tiida sedans.

Note the headlamps and rear C-pillar that are becoming important elements in Nissan's latest design strategy.

The Sunny now sits on a wheelbase length of 2,700mm to effectively make itself a mid-sized saloon like the Civic.

The interior is less radical than the Civic's. But the Sunny's version emphasises on the "living room concept" that has made the Teana successful.............Buyers have a choice of 1.8 and 2.0 engines. But it may not come to Thailand as Nissan is preparing to bring Tiida Latio here next year. The Latio gets those two engines, but has a smaller body than the Civic.

[Sithlord]

I don't know why are the top HP figures smaller, but from my test drive, itu mesin HR15DE saat accelerasi dari posisi stop kencang sekali ! Sampai saya kaget !

Itu bukan saya di jalan raya kosong dan mau jadi sporty driver. Itu saya mulai jalan dari showroom Platinum yang akan lewat pintu yang sempit. Mana mungkin saya berani tancap gas dalam ?

Responsenya hampir instant. Good for drag racing.

Well, the max HP may be smaller, but what IF mesin ini lebih irit dan performa di rpm rendah lebih kuat ? Apakah konsumen akan tertarik meskipun max HPnya lebih kecil ?

Mungkin kasusnya mirip brothernya mesin MR20DE. Angka max HPnya lebih kecil banding QR20DE yang lebih lama. TAPI torsi 90% max sudah dapat di rpm 2000 ! Dan 37% lebih irit !

That might still compensate for the smaller max HP numbers and attract BBM conscious buyers.

After all, meskipun max HP itu good for showing off, tapi nyatanya kita tiap hari sering main di rpm 2000 kan ? Thats where we need most of the torque and power. And thats where high torque / power at 2000 rpm gives excellent fuel economy.

[conan]

Ya, tapi coba teman2 baca lebih teliti artikel yang saya post sebelumnya, bahwa bluebird sylphy mungkin tidak akan diproduksi di Thailand, apalagi di Indonesia, ya gak?

Bagaimana dengan artikel satu lagi yang Anda post juga, tentang dua model baru bermesin 1.8L dan 2.0L yang akan dirakit di Phillippines? Last time I checked, it's still an Asean country...

[conan]

I don't know why are the top HP figures smaller, but from my test drive, itu mesin HR15DE saat accelerasi dari posisi stop kencang sekali ! Sampai saya kaget !

Kita bukan sedang membicarakan HR15DE yg sudah 109 HP Dark Lord, tapi mesin 1.8L Nissan yang hanya 128 HP. Apakah Anda tahu, ini mesin lama atau baru ya? Sudah seri HR/MR atau belum ya?

[conan]

After all, meskipun max HP itu good for showing off, tapi nyatanya kita tiap hari sering main di rpm 2000 kan ? Thats where we need most of the torque and power. And thats where high torque / power at 2000 rpm gives excellent fuel economy.

Those are exactly the characteristics of a DIESEL and a HYBRID, Dark Lord. Contoh Innova diesel saja, max torque-nya 265 Nm sudah tercapai pada 1600 RPM, bandingkan dengan Stream Anda yg hanya 155 Nm, dan baru tercapai pada 4800 RPM. Prius lebih dashyat lagi, max torque-nya 400 Nm (sama dgn VW Touareg 2.5L Tdi!) dan sudah tercapai pada nol sampai 1200 RPM. Asyik sekali untuk economical driving

Lalu mana itu mesin2 diesel Nissan? Pasang di X-Trail dong, seperti X-Trail versi Euro??

[Sithlord]

Anda harus lebih sympathetic ama mereka dong. I mean, why should they do that jika ngak ada yang mau beli ? Tau sendiri orang Indo pikirannya gimana ?

Kalau saya pribadi sih mau saja. Bisa hemat BBM kenapa tidak. Dan selisih harganya kan ngak beda jauh. Jadi balik modalnya juga pasti cepat.

Sebenernya Innova d4d juga. Banding ama bensin kan hematnya hampir dua kali lipat. Artinya selisih 10-20 juta ngak lama juga balik modal.

Tapi orang Indo kan ngak pernah pikirin gituan. Mereka pikirnya " Wah ! Beda 20 juta ! Yok kabur ! "

Kalau pikirannya gitu terus, mesin diesel akan susah laku, dan jadi ATPM juga capek jualnya !

Lihat Honda. Lihat Suzuki etc. Semuanya juga capek jual diesel. Honda pun tidak ada diesel di Indonesia. Not even 1 !

Anda kan tau, Renault, partnernya Nissan, kuat dalam hal diesel. Jadi Nissan pasti sudah dapat banyak ilmu dari mereka. Tapi orang sini dinggin terus ama diesel, ya gimana ?

Lihat Innova di jalan. How often do U see the D4D ? Jarang kan ?

Yang salah itu konsumen sini. ATPM jadi helpless. Itu TAM juga pasti kaget. Kok responsnya atas D4D dinggin sekali ! Seperti wanita sudah seduce laki, tapi lakinya " Jangan begitu yah ! Saya kan sudah ada istri ! " Kesal dak wanita itu ?

[conan]

Lho, diesel zaman Anda muda dulu kan berbeda sekali dengan diesel zaman sekarang Pak!

Aku sangat menghargai Toyota yang memberikan kita teknologi diesel terbaru mereka, D4D di samping mesin bensin mereka (D4) walaupun masih hanya dalam bentuk IMV (Fortuner dan Innova). Dan mereka sebagai perintis, the market will reward them! Dalam beberapa tahun ke depan pasar diesel pasti akan booming di Indo, dan Toyota akan menjadi penguasa pasar lagi!

[observer]

Ya, tapi coba teman2 baca lebih teliti artikel yang saya post sebelumnya, bahwa bluebird sylphy mungkin tidak akan diproduksi di Thailand, apalagi di Indonesia, ya gak?

Bagaimana dengan artikel satu lagi yang Anda post juga, tentang dua model baru bermesin 1.8L dan 2.0L yang akan dirakit di Phillippines? Last time I checked, it's still an Asean country...

Let me make sure I understand u correctly.

You're saying we're going to get Tiida 1.5L from Thailand, and Bluebird Sylphy 1.8L/2.0L from Philippine, that right?

Lalu bagaimana dengan pricingnya mereka?

Tiida/Latio 180-220jutaan??
Bluebird sylphy 250-280jutaan??

[conan]

Ya, tapi coba teman2 baca lebih teliti artikel yang saya post sebelumnya, bahwa bluebird sylphy mungkin tidak akan diproduksi di Thailand, apalagi di Indonesia, ya gak?

Bagaimana dengan artikel satu lagi yang Anda post juga, tentang dua model baru bermesin 1.8L dan 2.0L yang akan dirakit di Phillippines? Last time I checked, it's still an Asean country...

Let me make sure I understand u correctly.

You're saying we're going to get Tiida 1.5L from Thailand, and Bluebird Sylphy 1.8L/2.0L from Philippine, that right?

Lalu bagaimana dengan pricingnya mereka?

Tiida/Latio 180-220jutaan??
Bluebird sylphy 250-280jutaan??

No, not exactly. Menurutku NMI hanya akan memasukkan Latio, dengan mesin 1.5L, karena persaingan di kelas Corolla sudah sangat keras, jangankan Bluebird, Civic dan Lancer saja sudah hancur2an, ya gak?

Tapi kalau mereka benar2 mau mencoba segmen itu, menurutku sebaiknya bukan dengan Latio 1.8L, tapi sekaligus Bluebird, yang bisa didatangkan dari Phillippines. But I'd not recommend that. Lihat saja nasib Teana dibanding Accord/Camry, betul gak..

[observer]

Let me make sure I understand u correctly.

You're saying we're going to get Tiida 1.5L from Thailand, and Bluebird Sylphy 1.8L/2.0L from Philippine, that right?

No, not exactly. Menurutku NMI hanya akan memasukkan Latio, dengan mesin 1.5L, karena persaingan di kelas Corolla sudah sangat keras, jangankan Bluebird, Civic dan Lancer saja sudah hancur2an, ya gak?

Tapi kalau mereka benar2 mau mencoba segmen itu, menurutku sebaiknya bukan dengan Latio 1.8L, tapi sekaligus Bluebird, yang bisa didatangkan dari Phillippines. But I'd not recommend that. Lihat saja nasib Teana dibanding Accord/Camry, betul gak..

Intinya anda merasa Tiida akan punya kans lebih besar di Indo kalau dengan mesin dan pricing 1.5L.
Saya juga berpendapat begitu.
Cuman dari artikel2 yang saya post sebelumnya:

Article dari Australia
Due in dealerships next February, the Tiida is expected to compete on price with the likes of the Holden Astra, Ford Focus and Mazda3.

Bangkok Post 21 October 2005
Buyers have a choice of 1.8 and 2.0 engines. But it may not come to Thailand as Nissan is preparing to bring Tiida Latio here next year.

The Latio gets those two engines, but has a smaller body than the Civic. It sits in between the Civic and City (Toyota Corolla and Soluna). Also slated to join the Nissan sedan is a five-door hatchback version. In the United States, these two body forms are called Versa.

Apart from hoping to gain on pricing, Nissan wants to plug the gap between "compact" and "sub-compact" in Thailand. At the moment, it has no answer to the City or Soluna.

Jelas terlihat indikasi bahwa Nissan Thailand n Australia akan menerapkan strategi lain, yaitu memasangnya dengan mesin (dan konsekuensinya pricing) 1.8L dan dijual dengan harga dibawah segmen Altis/Civic/Focus tapi diatas segmen City/Vios/Jazz/Yaris, dengan harapan profitnya bisa lebih besar.

Apakah mereka akan berhasil??? Let's see.

[conan]

Intinya anda merasa Tiida akan punya kans lebih besar di Indo kalau dengan mesin dan pricing 1.5L.
Saya juga berpendapat begitu.

Betul Mr. Obs, tapi...

Jelas terlihat indikasi bahwa Nissan Thailand n Australia akan menerapkan strategi lain, yaitu memasangnya dengan mesin (dan konsekuensinya pricing) 1.8L dan dijual dengan harga dibawah segmen Altis/Civic/Focus tapi diatas segmen City/Vios/Jazz/Yaris, dengan harapan profitnya bisa lebih besar.

...what I'm trying to say is, walaupun hanya bermesin 1.5L pun, harga Latio memang sudah sedikit di atas City/Vios, apalagi Latio Sport harganya cukup jauh di atas Jazz/Yaris.

Therefore, I really can't see the advantage of offering the Latio with a 1.8L engine, which only makes its price even higher.

Customers shopping for a City/Vios will find the Latio 1.5L somewhat attractive, as eventhough it's slightly costlier, it's also slightly bigger inside and out.

However, I don't think customers shopping for a Civic/Altis will find the 1.8L Latio attractive.
Firstly, they're not shopping to a budget (because if they are, they will definitely go for a City/Vios), so the Latio's lower price would not be such an advantage, as the cheaper price also comes with smaller dimensions and 'lower class'.

Secondly, they're likely to shop for performance and quality, and for these two accounts, the Latio simply falls short of the competition (New Civic, new Altis, Mazda 3, Focus!). I don't think the Bluebird Sylphy has what it takes to tango with the big boys, either. My point is, Nissan simply doesn't have a competitive product in this segment.

But I agree that the more, the merrier and I'd like to see NMI launch the Latio with both engines and two different prices. But I really don't think they have the guts to do that and if we can have only one, for their own sake, they'd better opt for the 1.5L.

Anyway, if I were them, I would go for the 'reversed' version of Mazda's strategy with the Mazda 3. So while Mazda gives the Mazda 3 hatchback the 1.6L engine and the Mazda 3 saloon the 2.0 engine, I would have the 1.5L engine in the Latio sedan and the 1.8L engine in the Latio Sport.

Hatchbacks are generally sportier than their saloon counterparts (Estilo vs Genio, Mazda 3 hatchback vs the saloon, etc etc), so the Latio Sport should have sportier performance than the Latio sedan. The people buying the sedan might look for comfort, but I believe those buying the hatchbacks seek performance and styling.

There. What do you think?

P.S. With this, I left a question unanswered : is there even the 1.8L Latio Sport, or is it just for the sedan?
And btw, the article above is a bit mixed up between the Latio and the Sylphy, to sum it up, the Sylphy has the 2.0L and 1.8L, and the Latio has the 1.8L and 1.5L, but not the 2.0L as it does not make sense..

[observer]

Hatchbacks are generally sportier than their saloon counterparts (Estilo vs Genio, Mazda 3 hatchback vs the saloon, etc etc), so the Latio Sport should have sportier performance than the Latio sedan. The people buying the sedan might look for comfort, but I believe those buying the hatchbacks seek performance and styling.

Here's a roadtest that clearly favors the hatchback!

LATIO SPORT, THE DIFFERENCE

By Sheldon Trollope
From CarBuyer, Issue 26

Nissan's feature-packed Latio may be well-equipped, but the five-door Sport variant has a few more surprises up its sleeve

GOING BY THEIR growing numbers on our roads, the recently launched Latio is well on its way to becoming Nissan's big comeback model. However, as complete a package as it is, the Latio - in sedan form - is still found wanting in a few subjective areas.

The way it's designed for one thing, the sedan may be a good example of function triumphing over form, but the upright rear windscreen does little to inspire more style-conscious buyers.

Enter the hatchback variant, those that turned a nose up at the sedan might find the Latio Sport a more stylish option, as losing the boot seems to endow the car with a more
rakish, sportier stance
It isn't all about looks either. With most other cars, hatchback variants tend to sacrifice some luggage space for style but the Latio's designers have compensated for this deficit with a rear bench that slides fore and aft to suit almost any desired cargo to legroom ratio. .
In addition you get conventional 60:40 split folding backrests that facilitate the stowage of longer items such as golf bags for instance.



As with the sedan, the Sport brings some cool tricks to the party, such as an Intelligent Key system that lets the driver unlock the doors and start the engine without actually taking the key out from pocket or purse.

Those prone to airborne-related allergies will also appreciate the 'Plasmacluster' ionised climate control air-conditioning system that also 'cleans' the air as it cools it.

In addition to being powered by the same 1.5-litre engine as the sedan, the Sport is also offered with either a manual gearbox or a Continuously Variable Transmission that makes for smooth and brisk progress.

Another area where we found the sedan model to be lacking in was the quality of its high-speed ride. As you approach three-figure speeds in the four-door car, a degree of float or an uncomfortable 'lightness' could be felt, particularly with regard to the steering assistance.

The Latio Sport on the other hand, displayed none of these traits and felt more stable throughout a wider speed range.
We're not sure if this improvement is due to revised suspension geometry or the hatchback's aerodynamics or even a combination of both, but in any case, it's a much better car for it.

[Naruto]

Dalam beberapa tahun ke depan pasar diesel pasti akan booming di Indo, dan Toyota akan menjadi penguasa pasar lagi!

Setuju dengan pendapat Om Conan.. Ntar, kalo pom bensin asing masuk, pastinya kualitas solar juga ikutan bagus. Imbasnya, ya orang ga takut beli mobil diesel teknologi common rail ini. Terutama setelah 3 tahun lagy, setelah pom bensin asing tersebar di seluruh indo ( khususnya jawa-bali). Soalnya, seperti di negara2 maju, kendaraannya diesel bisa mencapai 50% bahkan cenderung terus bertambah.
hhehe

[conan]

Dalam beberapa tahun ke depan pasar diesel pasti akan booming di Indo, dan Toyota akan menjadi penguasa pasar lagi!

Setuju dengan pendapat Om Conan.. Ntar, kalo pom bensin asing masuk, pastinya kualitas solar juga ikutan bagus. Imbasnya, ya orang ga takut beli mobil diesel teknologi common rail ini. Terutama setelah 3 tahun lagy, setelah pom bensin asing tersebar di seluruh indo ( khususnya jawa-bali). Soalnya, seperti di negara2 maju, kendaraannya diesel bisa mencapai 50% bahkan cenderung terus bertambah.
hhehe

Ya, tepat sekali, Mr. Naruto.

[ktaufik]

Di sini baru masuk show room nich ...
gak tau model nya hatchback atau sedan



Kalo mau liat new honda
http://www.emailad.com.bh/honda/2006_honda.jpg

Diskon Lebaran ... excape 200 Jt :-p

[Sithlord]

Guys, saya baru mimpi kemarin malam. Itu Tiida Latio Sport, versi hatchback, akan TIBA di Indonesia lawan Jazz.

Ngak tau tahunnya kapan, tapi kalau saya bilang, tahun depan. Percaya mimpi saya atau tidak, terserah !

Yang pintar akan ngerti arti saya. In Mandarin, " Hua Zhong You Hua ", - ada kata di dalam kata !

[pinoh_boy]

Let's see you dream come true in the next year, maybe!

[observer]

Waduh, Mr. Darklord, aku sungguh tidak mengerti maksudmu "Hua zong you hua" itu apa???

Maksudnya anda punya insider information??