Review Honda Mobilio E Prestige CVT

[dogar]

ternyata mobilio pake mesin city 2014 versi india & thailand .. sayang fitur'a kagak ngikut ..
sumber : http://autonetmagz.com/benarkah-mesin-h ... eed/11282/

Riset dikit-dikit, sang tersangka L15Z1 diketahui sudah dipakai di Jazz 2009 sampai 2013 untuk tipe "Sport" (kalau di kita RS kali ya?)
dan untuk pasar luar negri. Dugaan ini didukung oleh, paling tidak, situs dgn domain .nz alias Selandia Baru yg saya temui menjual
Jazz 2013.
Jadi ngga salah juga kalau ada yg bilang si Lio pakai mesin Jazz, tapi Jazz untuk market Selandia Baru (at least).

Dengan demikian status tersangka bisa dinaikkan menjadi terdakwa berdasarkan 2 alat bukti yang [semoga] cukup berikut ini:

http://203.152.114.99/identicar/id_look ... =HOND&go=2
HONDA JAZZ '09
WINDSCREEN CODES: NAGS: HA2709.
BATTERY CODES: AA: (3y)2384. EXD: 40CP. HCB: 55D23L.
TYRE SIZES: 15in steel 175/65R16 for 1.3S & 1.3SP. 16in alloys 185/55R16 for Sport & Tempo. Space saver spare.
ENGINES: L13Z1, 1.3S & 1.3SP, 1.3L 16V i-VTEC (Intelligent Variable V Timing & Lift, Electronic Control) performance & economy enhancing technology, maxPower 73kW @ 6000rpm, maxTorque 127Nm @ 4800rpm. Emissions within EURO4 & LEV II. L15Z1, 1.5L Sport & Tempo,16V i-VTEC (Intelligent Variable V Timing & Lift, Electronic Control) performance & economy enhancing technology, maxPower 88kW @ 6600rpm, maxTorque 145Nm @ 4800rpm. Emissions within EURO4 & LEV II.

Sumber lainnya:

http://www.autotrader.co.nz/new-cars-fo ... -jazz/8157
HONDA JAZZ S SPORT Leather 2013 Hatchback Auto 1.3L

Engine Specifications

"L13Z1, 1.3L l-VTEC (Intelligent Varible V Timing & Lift, Electronic Control) 1339cc, maxPower 73kW @ 6000rpm, maxTorque 127Nm @ 4800rpm. (changed from 88kW @ 6600rpm & 145Nm @ 4800rpm). Bore 73.0mm x Stroke 80.0mm. Compression 10.5:1. Recommended fuel 91octane regular unleaded. Fuel consumption combined, 5MT 5.8L/100km, CO2 138g/km, 5AT 6.6L/100km, CO2 157g/km. EURO4 & LEV II.
L15Z1, 1.5L l-VTEC (Intelligent Varible V Timing & Lift, Electronic Control) 1497cc, maxPower 88kW @ 6600rpm, maxTorque 145Nm @ 4800rpm. (changed from 81kW @ 6000rpm & 143Nm @ 4800rpm). Bore 73.0mm x Stroke 89.4mm. Compression 10.4:1. Recommended fuel 91octane regular unleaded. Fuel consumption combined, 5AT 6.7L/100km, CO2 159g/km. EURO4 & LEV II.
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[HouseOfDetailing]

Di sebelah lagi pada mabuk kepayang ama Monyong.Serba salah mau di kritik,anyway nemu ini.

IMO not much crumpling frame area for small offset 25% crash a la IIHS...

[madcat015]

Di sebelah lagi pada mabuk kepayang ama Monyong.Serba salah mau di kritik,anyway nemu ini.

IMO not much crumpling frame area for small offset 25% crash a la IIHS...

Ane uda lama ga ke sebelah, om...

Liat komen nya, ane bingung mw ngomong apa. Jadi cuman SR sambil cekikikan liat komentar lucu2 di sana...

Drunken comment.

[DDR]

Disebelah ane iseng ngusulin nama klub nya Mobilicious... Yumm Yumm... Hehe...

[jalananDOHC]

Disebelah ane iseng ngusulin nama klub nya Mobilicious... Yumm Yumm... Hehe...

ketahuan nih

[DDR]

ketahuan nih

Tapi dek... Oom kan cuma iseng doang heheheh...

[papa3r]

Di sebelah lagi pada mabuk kepayang ama Monyong.Serba salah mau di kritik,anyway nemu ini.

IMO not much crumpling frame area for small offset 25% crash a la IIHS...

gambare kok gak metu.om...

[papa3r]

Di sebelah lagi pada mabuk kepayang ama Monyong.Serba salah mau di kritik,anyway nemu ini.

IMO not much crumpling frame area for small offset 25% crash a la IIHS...

gambare kok gak metu.om...

wehhhh aneh...skarang dachk metu....wkwkwkwkkk


Sorry jadi dopost....

[HouseOfDetailing]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

[imingwahyudi]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

EarthDreams nya tempelan gimmick doang dong


Untung bukan GD series' CVT

[billyd1773dz]

CVTnya GE8 kuenceng loh..... in term om acceleration faster than its 5spd AT counterpart...........
dan ke redlinenya smooth ga kaya GD proton atw mirage. gtw mobilio kya gimn..

meski soal fun to drive or err fun to bejek sih tetep geared/stepped gearbox

[imingwahyudi]

CVTnya GE8 kuenceng loh..... in term om acceleration faster than its 5spd AT counterpart...........
dan ke redlinenya smooth ga kaya GD proton atw mirage. gtw mobilio kya gimn..

meski soal fun to drive or err fun to bejek sih tetep geared/stepped gearbox

calon mira di swap 6mt close ratio

[dogar]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

Wah saya ngga bisa baca huruf tusuk gigi nih.
Tolong pencerahannya apakah di situ disebutkan juga CVT nya sudah pakai torque converter?

[dogar]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

EarthDreams nya tempelan gimmick doang dong

Gimmick Earth Dreams nya Honda itu lebih ke perbaikan di sisi VTEC nya kang, bukan di girboks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_adva ... Technology
Earth Dreams Technology is Honda's latest generation of engines proving their commitment to fuel-efficiency and environmental impact. By enhancing Honda's original VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control System) technology to further improve thermal efficiency and minimize friction, a new combination of high output and fuel efficiency was achieved. Each engine class will receive different modifications in the new Earth Dream Technology roll out.

[imingwahyudi]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

EarthDreams nya tempelan gimmick doang dong

Gimmick Earth Dreams nya Honda itu lebih ke perbaikan di sisi VTEC nya kang, bukan di girboks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_adva ... Technology
Earth Dreams Technology is Honda's latest generation of engines proving their commitment to fuel-efficiency and environmental impact. By enhancing Honda's original VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control System) technology to further improve thermal efficiency and minimize friction, a new combination of high output and fuel efficiency was achieved. Each engine class will receive different modifications in the new Earth Dream Technology roll out.

Benerrr om , memang yang sudah integrated rasanya baru SKYACTIVnya Mazda saja...makanya kaget juga baca CVT Mobilio udah ED...sedangkan di platform lain rasanya baru mesinnya saja yang ditambel logo ED
Kembali, HPM bikin istilah baru... EarthDreams CVT...pantes enjinnya ga ditempel ED segede gaban

[Tomiko_Van]

Di sebelah lagi pada mabuk kepayang ama Monyong.Serba salah mau di kritik,anyway nemu ini.

IMO not much crumpling frame area for small offset 25% crash a la IIHS...

Itu Brio ya om, kalau dilihat dari Spion samping. tapi basically sama saja kan
IMO mobil sekarang memang rata2 minimalis di balik bumper depan, bisajadi salah satu cara utk meredam benturan, agar tujuan akhir disisi penumpang depan lebih aman.

Tapi negatif efeknya, ya kalau nabrak dikit, radiator kena.. --> pesan mendalamnya lagi lebih baik radiator kena daripada "orangnya" yg kena

[HouseOfDetailing]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

Wah saya ngga bisa baca huruf tusuk gigi nih.
Tolong pencerahannya apakah di situ disebutkan juga CVT nya sudah pakai torque converter?

Om...dahulu Hando malah buang itu TC dari unit CVTnya karena alasan ini.

From the driver's point of view the system is therefore effortless. The advent of sophisticated electronics and complex mapping has allowed CVT to exploit peak engine efficiency and torque to the full, and by using its continuously variable nature to match engine performance with road requirements, the transmission is able to maximise fuel economy. Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, a wider spread of ratios is possible while there is, of course, no shift shock.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=20071

I would like to know and help you too om...sayang ngga bisa minta mbah gugel translate halamannya


dan hingga akhir masanya hidupnya GE8,itu climate control tak juga di pasang John Peace

Itu Mobilmonyong om Tomiko,tapi yah harusnya front frame beda dikit dari Brio demi ruang bagi mesin yang lebih besar.Yep,if sh1t do happen,mending arahin full frontal saja.

Honda Fit std frontal crash test,IIHS rate Good

Honda fit small offset 25%,IIHS rate Poor
Ngga banyak crumple zone parts yang bisa menghentikan energi tabrakan seperti simulasi small offset 25%,yang berarti hanya bisa berharap firewall mampu menahan energi impactnya...Nyaris sama seperti bawa minibus jadul seperti Keri dan koloninya yang ngga punya muncung

[wenD]

Cmn mau nambahin dikit nih...
Menurut saya pribadi, interior mobilio itu justru jelek diwarna beigeny,, krn kualitasnya dibwh rata2 tapi warna beige,, kusamnya cepet keliatan...

Sama satu lg,,, tombol auto lock windowNy cmn bisa auto waktu buka jendela, kalau nutup tetep hrs ditarik terus ampe rapat..

[billyd1773dz]

Done repairing the pic
Bedewei dari JAF handbook 2008,di sana ada GE8 CVT.Ntah ini yang ini pakai L15Z1...dan berarti juga girboks jadul...

Wah saya ngga bisa baca huruf tusuk gigi nih.
Tolong pencerahannya apakah di situ disebutkan juga CVT nya sudah pakai torque converter?

Om...dahulu Hando malah buang itu TC dari unit CVTnya karena alasan ini.

From the driver's point of view the system is therefore effortless. The advent of sophisticated electronics and complex mapping has allowed CVT to exploit peak engine efficiency and torque to the full, and by using its continuously variable nature to match engine performance with road requirements, the transmission is able to maximise fuel economy. Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, a wider spread of ratios is possible while there is, of course, no shift shock.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=20071

errrr semua CVT pasti ada Torqueconverter nya bro...................

itu yg di bold klw di terjemahin bukan torqueconverternya yg di ilangin... tp mekanisme slipage di CVTnya yg di ilangin atw di minimalkan.. which is TC Lockup nya yang di bikin agresif jalan dikit langsung lockup, sama dgn geared AT dan CVT modern lain

kalau slipage pasti dan harus ada untuk berhenti.

[dogar]

Sama satu lg,,, tombol auto lock windowNy cmn bisa auto waktu buka jendela, kalau nutup tetep hrs ditarik terus ampe rapat..

Auto nutup window kelihatannya dihilangkan demi safety (walaupun jadi nyebelin kalo abis bayar tol kudu neken switch power window
terus sampe jendela nutup).
Kalo ngga salah dulu ada kejadian anak kecil yg kejepit (lehernya?) gara-gara dia ngelongok keluar dan entah gimana tombol
auto-shut window (ngga tau istilah yg tepat) kesenggol.
Memang ada beberapa power window yg bisa mendeteksi kalau ada hambatan saat nutup maka window otomatis turun
kembali. Tapi fitur ini malah jadi masalah di Jazz lama, karena ketika jalur windownya seret (karena karetnya kotor atau udah getas)
si window malah bolak balik naik turun. Mungkin daripada pusing-pusing Honda ilangin aja fitur auto nutup itu .

[HouseOfDetailing]

Berarti another marketing [cencored] from Hando

Om Modcat mana yah?ada anak terlantar nih

[dogar]

Om...dahulu Hando malah buang itu TC dari unit CVTnya karena alasan ini.

From the driver's point of view the system is therefore effortless. The advent of sophisticated electronics and complex mapping has allowed CVT to exploit peak engine efficiency and torque to the full, and by using its continuously variable nature to match engine performance with road requirements, the transmission is able to maximise fuel economy. Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, a wider spread of ratios is possible while there is, of course, no shift shock.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=20071

errrr semua CVT pasti ada Torqueconverter nya bro...................

itu yg di bold klw di terjemahin bukan torqueconverternya yg di ilangin... tp mekanisme slipage di CVTnya yg di ilangin atw di minimalkan.. which is TC Lockup nya yang di bikin agresif jalan dikit langsung lockup, sama dgn geared AT dan CVT modern lain

kalau slipage pasti dan harus ada untuk berhenti.

Yup. Di artikel itu tidak menyebutkan TC nya diilangin.
"Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, ..."
Terjemahan bebasnya kurang lebih gini (CMIIW):
"Dibandingkan dengan transmisi otomatis konvensional, ada beberapa keuntungan [pada CVT]: torque converter slippage hilang dan kehilangan power dikurangi..."

Btw, ngga semua CVT ada TC nya, paling tidak Honda BeAT saya ngga pake TC tuh .
Tapi di mobil juga gitu koq, ngga semua yg pake CVT pake TC.

http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1168
CVTs without a torque converter are typically driven through a dual mass flywheel or a torsional damper plate that connects the crankshaft to the input shaft. The BMW Mini Cooper VT1F, the Audi A6/8 01J and Honda Civic (photo 3) CVTs are examples of this design. To prevent a stalling condition when the transmission is placed in gear or when it comes to a stop in gear, a clutch inside the transmission must release. The VT1F and 01J CVTs release the forward or reverse clutch, while the Honda Civic CVT releases a start clutch in both Drive and Reverse. These clutches are pulsed on and off very frequently and are susceptible to failure. This can cause a variety of complaints, such as chatter on takeoff, sudden slipping or neutralizing conditions, unusual idle fluctuations or a loss of hill-hold function.

[ilhami]

Sama satu lg,,, tombol auto lock windowNy cmn bisa auto waktu buka jendela, kalau nutup tetep hrs ditarik terus ampe rapat..

Auto nutup window kelihatannya dihilangkan demi safety (walaupun jadi nyebelin kalo abis bayar tol kudu neken switch power window
terus sampe jendela nutup).
Kalo ngga salah dulu ada kejadian anak kecil yg kejepit (lehernya?) gara-gara dia ngelongok keluar dan entah gimana tombol
auto-shut window (ngga tau istilah yg tepat) kesenggol.
Memang ada beberapa power window yg bisa mendeteksi kalau ada hambatan saat nutup maka window otomatis turun
kembali. Tapi fitur ini malah jadi masalah di Jazz lama, karena ketika jalur windownya seret (karena karetnya kotor atau udah getas)
si window malah bolak balik naik turun. Mungkin daripada pusing-pusing Honda ilangin aja fitur auto nutup itu .

Kalau udah rusak juga gantinya mahal, harus diganti sepaket, seperti kejadian di Altis

[DDR]

Tadi di jalan ngeliat Mobilio putih... memang cakep hehehehe...

[billyd1773dz]

Om...dahulu Hando malah buang itu TC dari unit CVTnya karena alasan ini.

From the driver's point of view the system is therefore effortless. The advent of sophisticated electronics and complex mapping has allowed CVT to exploit peak engine efficiency and torque to the full, and by using its continuously variable nature to match engine performance with road requirements, the transmission is able to maximise fuel economy. Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, a wider spread of ratios is possible while there is, of course, no shift shock.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=20071

errrr semua CVT pasti ada Torqueconverter nya bro...................

itu yg di bold klw di terjemahin bukan torqueconverternya yg di ilangin... tp mekanisme slipage di CVTnya yg di ilangin atw di minimalkan.. which is TC Lockup nya yang di bikin agresif jalan dikit langsung lockup, sama dgn geared AT dan CVT modern lain

kalau slipage pasti dan harus ada untuk berhenti.

Yup. Di artikel itu tidak menyebutkan TC nya diilangin.
"Compared to a conventional automatic transmission, there are further benefits: torque converter slippage is eliminated and power losses reduced, ..."
Terjemahan bebasnya kurang lebih gini (CMIIW):
"Dibandingkan dengan transmisi otomatis konvensional, ada beberapa keuntungan [pada CVT]: torque converter slippage hilang dan kehilangan power dikurangi..."

Btw, ngga semua CVT ada TC nya, paling tidak Honda BeAT saya ngga pake TC tuh .
Tapi di mobil juga gitu koq, ngga semua yg pake CVT pake TC.

http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1168
CVTs without a torque converter are typically driven through a dual mass flywheel or a torsional damper plate that connects the crankshaft to the input shaft. The BMW Mini Cooper VT1F, the Audi A6/8 01J and Honda Civic (photo 3) CVTs are examples of this design. To prevent a stalling condition when the transmission is placed in gear or when it comes to a stop in gear, a clutch inside the transmission must release. The VT1F and 01J CVTs release the forward or reverse clutch, while the Honda Civic CVT releases a start clutch in both Drive and Reverse. These clutches are pulsed on and off very frequently and are susceptible to failure. This can cause a variety of complaints, such as chatter on takeoff, sudden slipping or neutralizing conditions, unusual idle fluctuations or a loss of hill-hold function.

yup.... ada yang ga pakai TC.... mostly CVT tahun 90-00 kecuali audi multitronic yang hingga kini masih pakai clutch susun dgn magnet... semacam haldex.....

dan cvt model ini tergolong bnyk kasus failurenya, sekalipun performanya paling baik di audi 0-100 sudah bisa mengalahkan comparable 5speed AT bahkan MT. di audi konon generasi terakhir plate clutch nya ditambah semula 6 kini jadi 7

dalam TC modern sendiri ada clutch nya yang aktif setelah jalan untuk mekanisme lockup.

cmiiw