Ranking Dan Pemilihan Oli Mesin - PART 05

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Mau tanya. Untuk nissan grand livina apa bisa pakai amsoil 0-30 signature series? Tq
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bangrosi wrote:@Sintoni:di pm aja kecuali diizinkan di post disini

Sekalian mau ksh price list oli per karton/dus entah murah atau mahal itungannya.

Per karton/Dus isi
G=4Galon @4Liter
L=12Botol @1Liter

SHELL HX 7 10W-40
840rb/G 660rb/L

SHELL HX 8 5W-30
1,2jt/G

SHELL ULTRA 5W-30
1,9jt/G 1,2jt/L

CASTROL MAGNATEC 10W-40
1,35jt isi 6 Galon

MOTUL H TECH 100 PLUS 5W-30
1,1jt/G 900rb/L

TOYOTA TGMO 10W-40
700rb/G 600/L


NB: Bukan sales oli hanya sekedar sharing

Turboman wrote:

Sangat tidak direkomendasikan secara D4 D itu valve tappet...gak cocok dgn std ILSAC GF-x.........udah itu utk Diesel TBN optimal minimum 9 an mg KOH, di H Tec TBN nya sekitar 8 atau kurang kayaknya

H Tec 5W30 kalo in case of emergency bisa aja dipake di D4 D, tapi nanti di KM 4000 mungkin dah harus dibuang, jadi sia2 saja

Kalo buat D4 D bisa pakai Motul 5W30 yg MB 229.5 atau Motul 5W40 seri 8000 an yg meet MB 229.5 / GM LL-025-B......saya lupa type-nya, tapi kedua barang tsb ada di sini


Oh gitu ya om turbo jd kurang cocoknya bukanya gk bisa bakalan pakai HX8 lagi nih,kalo yg Ultra gk kuat harganya.rencana mau pakai motul biar sekalian buat mesin bensin jg sih.kalo Motul 5W-30 MB 229.5 mungkin yg tipe lama msh API SM kayaknya sdh gk keluar digantikan API SN.
Iya om, maksudnya tolong di PM. Haha.
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keretalaut wrote:Honda gold itu 0w-20 kan ? dicampur dgn 5w-30... ummm.....
Betul om...
dan tindakan ini saya lakukan dengan sadar tanpa pengaruh alkohol/narkoba, tanpa paksaan dari pihak manapun..
Murni tindakan yg bersifat experimental...
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bangrosi wrote:@Sintoni:di pm aja kecuali diizinkan di post disini

Sekalian mau ksh price list oli per karton/dus entah murah atau mahal itungannya.

Per karton/Dus isi
G=4Galon @4Liter
L=12Botol @1Liter

SHELL HX 7 10W-40
840rb/G 660rb/L

SHELL HX 8 5W-30
1,2jt/G

SHELL ULTRA 5W-30
1,9jt/G 1,2jt/L

CASTROL MAGNATEC 10W-40
1,35jt isi 6 Galon

MOTUL H TECH 100 PLUS 5W-30
1,1jt/G 900rb/L

TOYOTA TGMO 10W-40
700rb/G 600/L
NB: Bukan sales oli hanya sekedar sharing
Share di sini aja penjual nya om... momod di sini ga kejam langsung di banned kok... :big_grin:
lgpula klo di share, user lain/momod mungkin pernah pengalaman sama si penjual jd bisa recomend ato ngga...
oh ya itu price-list dr War*ng Ol* bukan...?
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c3sfandro wrote:Mau tanya. Untuk nissan grand livina apa bisa pakai amsoil 0-30 signature series? Tq
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Info terbaru, TMO sekarang jadi TMO Lubricant, SAE masih sama tapi API Service SM sudah jadi SN. Harga sama dengan yang sebelumnya.
Mengikuti perkembangan Fastron walau agak telat, apa ngabisin stok wadah lama dulu ya?
Susahnya nyari msds TMO. Ada yang tahu?
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Mau tanya, kalo oli 5w-30 buat duo kembar LCGC yg bagus apa ya? Full synth yang bisa tahan 10.000km.
Sementara sih ngincer castrol magnatec pro.

Kalo pake api sm/sn atau pake yg lebih encer lagi misalnya 0w-30 atau 0w-20 kira2 cocok ga ya?
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Turboman wrote:
Motul 5W30 specific MB 229.5 itu justru baru liat tahun lalu waktu IIMS 2014 om

http://www.frontier.ro/files/pdf/Specif ... 8GB%29.pdf

MB 229.5 tidak mengenal API API an om.......std MB itu berbasis ACEA A3 / B4 yang disempurnakan lebih lanjut.......

Tuh spec nya setara SHU AB

itu bisa banget buat D4 D

Kalau yg udah lama masuk yg 5W40 yg seri 8000 sekian yg meet GM LL-025-B....itu juga oke utk D4 D

kalo bisa dapat miring banget sikat aja

itu tipe jarang kayaknya om turbo gk dijual disini kalo dari brosurnya sih Htech 5W30 cuma satu tipe

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sintoni wrote: Iya om, maksudnya tolong di PM. Haha.
ok deh di buka disini aja
lgs liat di heroes-automotive.com

ALX7 wrote: Share di sini aja penjual nya om... momod di sini ga kejam langsung di banned kok... :big_grin:
lgpula klo di share, user lain/momod mungkin pernah pengalaman sama si penjual jd bisa recomend ato ngga...
oh ya itu price-list dr War*ng Ol* bukan...?
bukan om ini lbh murah dr War*ng Ol*

lgs cek disini aja heroes-automotive.com
lokasinya sih di bekasi


NB:Bukan sales oli hanya sekedar sharing aja
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@bangrosi

Nah itu ada yg CRDI 5W40.....bisa banget buat D4 D
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Mau nanya, kalo untuk duo LCGC kira2 oli 5w-30 full synthetic yg cocok apa ya yg bisa di pakai sampai 10 ribu.
BBM ane Ron 92.

Sementara ane rencana mau pake shell hx8.
Kira2 kalo ane upgrade ke 0-30 atau 0-20 berguna ga?
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om Sintoni,

Saya tolong di PM juga. ngirit nih dapet oli murah
Terima kasih yah Om

sintoni wrote:
bangrosi wrote:@Sintoni:di pm aja kecuali diizinkan di post disini

Sekalian mau ksh price list oli per karton/dus entah murah atau mahal itungannya.

Per karton/Dus isi
G=4Galon @4Liter
L=12Botol @1Liter

SHELL HX 7 10W-40
840rb/G 660rb/L

SHELL HX 8 5W-30
1,2jt/G

SHELL ULTRA 5W-30
1,9jt/G 1,2jt/L

CASTROL MAGNATEC 10W-40
1,35jt isi 6 Galon

MOTUL H TECH 100 PLUS 5W-30
1,1jt/G 900rb/L

TOYOTA TGMO 10W-40
700rb/G 600/L


NB: Bukan sales oli hanya sekedar sharing

Turboman wrote:

Sangat tidak direkomendasikan secara D4 D itu valve tappet...gak cocok dgn std ILSAC GF-x.........udah itu utk Diesel TBN optimal minimum 9 an mg KOH, di H Tec TBN nya sekitar 8 atau kurang kayaknya

H Tec 5W30 kalo in case of emergency bisa aja dipake di D4 D, tapi nanti di KM 4000 mungkin dah harus dibuang, jadi sia2 saja

Kalo buat D4 D bisa pakai Motul 5W30 yg MB 229.5 atau Motul 5W40 seri 8000 an yg meet MB 229.5 / GM LL-025-B......saya lupa type-nya, tapi kedua barang tsb ada di sini


Oh gitu ya om turbo jd kurang cocoknya bukanya gk bisa bakalan pakai HX8 lagi nih,kalo yg Ultra gk kuat harganya.rencana mau pakai motul biar sekalian buat mesin bensin jg sih.kalo Motul 5W-30 MB 229.5 mungkin yg tipe lama msh API SM kayaknya sdh gk keluar digantikan API SN.
Iya om, maksudnya tolong di PM. Haha.
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Trend oli encer yang semakin encer

We already see SAE 0W-16 in the market, and some OEMs are beginning to look at viscosities as low as SAE 0W-8, or even 0W-4. In this low viscosity era it is becoming increasingly important for us to understand the implications this has on the formulation envelope and on hardware protection.

Infineum studies indicate that, in some engines, reducing lubricant viscosities to 2.3 HTHS presents little risk of engine component wear. Below this level, specific engine components, for example the top ring and bearings, observe higher wear rates. To ensure ultra low viscosity lubricants deliver fuel economy and wear protection it is becoming increasingly important to co-engineer the vehicle hardware and lubricant system.

No one size fits all

This collaborative development approach becomes even more important when you consider that not all engines deliver the same fuel economy performance with low viscosity formulations.

In recent testing Infineum examined a variety of engines using the New European Drive Cycle. The engines were run on the same SAE 0W-30 oils and measured against the same reference oil. The chart below shows the different fuel economy performance seen across the range of engines.

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What is clear from our research is that fuel economy lubricants must be individually tailored to suit each vehicle type, something that will add significant complexity to their development, or compromises must be made to balance fuel economy across a range of engine types.

http://www.infineuminsight.com/insight/ ... challenges


IMHO :
Jadi utk penggunaan oli encer memang sebaiknya tetap merefer ke manual book atau kita bisa melihat rekomendasi SAE oli utk mesin yang sama di negara lain, jika diijinkan utk pake oli encer then go ahead

Sejauh ini penggunaan oli 0W20 kebanyakan utk mesin2 Gasoline NA merek Jepun / Korea & US, terutama produksi 2010 ke atas, utk produksi 2010 or older harap merefer ke buku manual atau rekomendasi SAE oli utk mesin yg sama di negara lain

HTHS 2.3 means 16 weight oil alias SAE buntut -16


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Terobosan baru dalam Base Oil synthetic

Nah kalau kita bicara soal teknologi oli, inilah terobosan baru dalam Base Oil sintetik, walau sebetulnya bahan ini juga sudah lama exist (sejauh ini umumnya digunakan utk oli kompresor AC / kompressor & oli hidrolik), tapi beberapa pabrikan mulai coba develop sebagai bahan baku oli mesin

PAG alias Poly Alkylene Glycol

Selain PAG juga dikembangkan Alkylated Naphtalane (AN)


Advanced properties make Group V base stocks attractive in new applications

In previous Insight articles we have looked at Group I & II, Group III, PAO & GTL and most recently biobased oils. In this article we continue our coverage of Group V base oils by talking to ExxonMobil Chemical about alkylated naphthalene (AN) and esters and to Dow Chemical Company about Polyalkylene Glycol (PAG).

Currently Group IV (PAO) based lubricants are the largest product segment, accounting for 67% of demand in 2013. PAG and Ester based oils might be able to offer superior performance compared to PAOs, but Grand View Research suggests high production costs may account for their relatively low demand share.

The technical advantages offered by PAG and esters, including high thermal and oxidative stability, biodegradability and high viscosity index, are making them increasing attractive.

PAG moves into automotive

PAG base stocks are well known for their low friction co-efficient and excellent viscosity index, which translate to energy efficiency - something that has contributed to their success in worm gear applications. These properties are exactly why automotive OEMs and lubricant formulators are now showing a real interest in PAG chemistry.

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Abis beli Shell HX8 buat D4D di Graha DTMF karena toko grosir oli sibuk bgt tlp,sms,bbm gk di respon.beda dikit tetap selisinya sama toko oli kaya t*da,S*D jauh hampir 50rb/L oh iya HX 8 skr sdh API SN yg lama msh SL kemasan jg beda dan cobain Motul Htech plus 100 5W-30 buat Veloz

baca2 page belakang Amsoil 5W-30 lg promo edan di graha boleh tau brp harganya/L kira2 kalo tuker tambah boleh kali ya,kayaknya mantap jg tuh yg 0W-20 takut keenceran gk ya buat veloz hrg gk masalah cuma pakai 3L ini.
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kayanya utk veloz gapapa om... wong mesin agay alay aj bsa dicekokin 0W-20... seharus nya k3 nya veloz jg bsa...
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bangrosi wrote:Abis beli Shell HX8 buat D4D di Graha DTMF karena toko grosir oli sibuk bgt tlp,sms,bbm gk di respon.beda dikit tetap selisinya sama toko oli kaya t*da,S*D jauh hampir 50rb/L oh iya HX 8 skr sdh API SN yg lama msh SL kemasan jg beda dan cobain Motul Htech plus 100 5W-30 buat Veloz

baca2 page belakang Amsoil 5W-30 lg promo edan di graha boleh tau brp harganya/L kira2 kalo tuker tambah boleh kali ya,kayaknya mantap jg tuh yg 0W-20 takut keenceran gk ya buat veloz hrg gk masalah cuma pakai 3L ini.
Utk mesin Pansah sih better pake 5W30 aja......kalo pake 0W20 takutnya suara mesin ketik-nya makin menjadi2

Utk promo Amsoil harga edan : Coba telp dulu aja ke Graha utk cek masih ada stock atau dah abis

Kalo misal dah abis ya utk 5W30 Gasoline pake aja Kendall GT1 semi synth, beli di Sanjaya Knalpot DTMF....masih harga lama......

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@ turboman : mau nanya aja. antara Kendall GT.1 Synthetic Blend, Kendall GT.1 Fully Synthetic n fastron GOLD. Lebih bagus mana buat L15A vtec?

makasih ya.. :big_deal:

* skrg pake fastron GOLD tapi koq rasanya biasa aja dibanding kendall synthetic blend.. :big_childish:
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orangewater1 wrote:@ turboman : mau nanya aja. antara Kendall GT.1 Synthetic Blend, Kendall GT.1 Fully Synthetic n fastron GOLD. Lebih bagus mana buat L15A vtec?

makasih ya.. :big_deal:

* skrg pake fastron GOLD tapi koq rasanya biasa aja dibanding kendall synthetic blend.. :big_childish:
Kalo sesama 5W30 ya mirip2.....kalo oli yg bagus kerasanya utk interval jauh kinerja-nya lebih stabil

Kalau mau kerasa beda ya pake 5W30 yg meet ACEA A1 / A5 macam Cast Magn Prof atau sekalian ke 0W30 atau 0w20
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Turboman wrote:
orangewater1 wrote:@ turboman : mau nanya aja. antara Kendall GT.1 Synthetic Blend, Kendall GT.1 Fully Synthetic n fastron GOLD. Lebih bagus mana buat L15A vtec?

makasih ya.. :big_deal:

* skrg pake fastron GOLD tapi koq rasanya biasa aja dibanding kendall synthetic blend.. :big_childish:
Kalo sesama 5W30 ya mirip2.....kalo oli yg bagus kerasanya utk interval jauh kinerja-nya lebih stabil

Kalau mau kerasa beda ya pake 5W30 yg meet ACEA A1 / A5 macam Cast Magn Prof atau sekalian ke 0W30 atau 0w20
sebelumnya pernah coba honda E-pro Gold.. cuma sayang mentok di bulan.. ktnya oli tipe begini baiknya dipake 7 bulan aja kan?

coba deh nanti ane cari2 dulu.. thanx yah.. :big_deal:
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Turboman wrote: Utk mesin Pansah sih better pake 5W30 aja......kalo pake 0W20 takutnya suara mesin ketik-nya makin menjadi2
klo berdasarkan experimen saya sebelumnya pake di vely, 2 liter 5W-30 + 1liter 0W-20, saya setuju bahwa mesin sedikit lebih berisik, tp kondisi baru nyala dari mesin dingin.
yg saya ingin tahu penyebabnya karna pengaruh di 0W nya ato di 20 nya..? soalnya klo mesin udah panas suara ga beda dibanding pake full 5W-30, tp dr segi 'agresif', sedikiit lebih 'agresif' aja... ato itu juga krn pengaruh 'oli baru'..? :big_think:
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iseng liat di mbah google.. ada castrol EDGE Profesional A5 5W-30 trus ada castrol magnatec professional A5 5W-30. Bedanya apa ya?
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ada yang tau beli oli Lupromax Zelos 5000 D 5w40? pingin coba oli ini buat ipah d4d..udah nnya langsung ke contact usnya lupromax minta MSDS and TDSnya. bener" penasaran saya
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Lupromax 5-40 denger2 d ayung lg ad stok lama tuh... doi lg banting harga mau ngabisin stok...

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@oom turbo:

Lupromax zelos beneran bagus ya? Saya liat kemasannya kok kurang meyakinkan. Trus saya iseng cari2 info di internet, ternyata ini oli buatan Indonesia, tp dipasarkan dengan merek lupromax (http://mobil.sportku.com/berita/news/ak ... e52-negara). Soalnya di website lupromax Canada sendiri juga gak ada product oli ini.

BTW, di SMS lg ada pameran lupromax. Promo beli 2 liter gratis 2 liter. Buat zelos diesel seliternya dibandrol 147 ribu
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Seminggu yg lalu beli HX8 di fjb masih yg kemasan lama
Beli di seller rekomendasi bro azu
Kesannya pake oli ini biasa aja ga ada yg istimewa hehe..
Lebih enak pake motul htech
Sebelum ini pake mobil super 10-40 soalnya lagi bokek buset tuh oli ga enak bgt :big_bored:
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Jambangan wrote:Seminggu yg lalu beli HX8 di fjb masih yg kemasan lama
Beli di seller rekomendasi bro azu
Kesannya pake oli ini biasa aja ga ada yg istimewa hehe..
Lebih enak pake motul htech
Emang enakan motul banget, sayang lebih mahal wkwk... :big_childish:

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