Toyota WISH,jagoan baru Toyota?

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Toyota WISH,jagoan baru Toyota?

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Gimana pendapat rekan2 SMers,kayaknya Toyota mau menjadikan Wish sbg jagoan baru di kelas 1500 cc MPV?

Sepertinya slot itu kosong di line up Toyota (selain Ananza S tentunya) yg kita semua tau kalo mobil avanza itu sebenarnya terlalu kecil utk di jadikan MPV?
Juga positioning Wish yg sangat tepat utk mengisi slot di antara Avanza dan Innova...dan dr segi harga yg rencananya di set diantara avanza dan Innova pula.

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Pesimis, Toyota bakal bermain di kelas 1500cc, karena sekarang toyota uda punya avanza 1500 dan rush. kalo toyota meluncurkan wish dengan engine 1500 bakal ngancurin kelas avanza dan rush yang selama ini punya market share yg cukup buat TAM.
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Oke juga, mau lawan Nissan Livina dengan mobil yang sesuai kelas. Apalagi kalau ditawarin mesin 1500cc + 1800cc... Ya kayak livina. Tapi seandainya pake mesin 1500cc, bukannya terlalu dipaksain tuh? Wish kan ukurannya lebih gede dibanding Livina (Grand), lebar kalah 5 mm, tapi panjang lebih 130 mm, seharusnya lebih berat dong.

Buat apa lah, Avanza/Xenia juga udah cukup kok, cuma kalah model aja. Seandainya Avanza/Xenia dapet major model change juga pasti penjualan meledak lagi.
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Kalu diliat bentuknya, Wish itu kyknya kelasnya ke Stream deh. Tp Stream udah ga dijual atpm Honda lagi khan?
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harga jualny terlalu tinggi kl masukin stream baru ini sktr 300jt..lg an stream terdahulu jg ga terlalu sukses kan y??
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stream 1g cukup sukses deh, too bad dscontinued so soon, skrg pasaran 2nd nya jadi naik deh..
Bobot wish kurang lebih sama dgn GL, "wish 1800" = 1300kg, dgn airbag, abs, foglamp, dst.
Sulit percaya krn harganya wish "ckd w/o features" jadi dipangkas >100jt?
"wish" itu blm tntu, maybe Ipsum or fielder kali yah..
or wish pakai mesin ruster....
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Desain luar wish cukup keren, interior masih belon tau karena belon pernah lihat. Tapi kalo dikeluarin utk saingi livina diharga 150 - 200an memang bisa menggerus pasar avanza dan innovanya seperti yg dilakukan oleh GL sekarang.
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masa harga wish bisa diposisi kan antara avanza-innova?
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even pakai body setipis avanza, sulit deh
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Hmmm Pilihan produk Toyota makin banyak nih ... :smilecolros:
Jadi masing-masing bisa di pilih sesuai dengan kebutuhannya.
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Bisalah wish 2000 cc full option harga baru bisa 300 juta tapi kan itu dimport utuh dari Japan

Kalau di ckd disini , semua airbag , sunroof + fitur elektronik dicabut plus pakai mesin avanza 1500 cc kenapa ga bisa jadi 170 jt an? . Pajak mpv 1500 cc kan murah.

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wish yg di indo itu dari thailand ya.
itu pun sulit, cost feature tsb sepertinya tidak sampai 100jt.
Beda cost mesin 1nzfe dan zzfe, ada tapi sepertinya sampai 20jt deh..
Diskriminasi pajak ada tapi bukan besar sekali nah ini contoh GL 1500 dan 1800 juga tidak bisa terpaut terlalu jauh harganya, note that GL1800 ada ABS, Emiror, dst.
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pajak kndraan baru MPV 1500 cc-2000cc kan sama.jd ga trlalu jauh bda hrg jual ny..kl pk mesin ruster ma jgn d.mesin Yaris boleh lah..
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pajak "1501cc - 2000cc" maybe yg sama.
tapi, s/d angka tsb beda, misal swift sx4 neo 1490cc, GL 1498cc, jazzcity 1497cc, yarisvios 1497cc, Ruster - avz 1495cc, juga kalos aveo, avegaa accent, soluna, cityZ, timor, kia rio, aerio, dst dst
makanya lama2 80% mobil di indo jadi 1500cc semua.. he3
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aga nyambung...seberapa jauh sih beda pajak untuk yang < 1500 cc ma yang > 1500 cc? kayanya pembagian kelas ada 0-1500, 1501-2000, 2001-2500 yah..
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iya, pembagian nya sepertinya begitu, kapasitas yg s/d atau di bawah 1500cc itulah yg lebih ringan.
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bedanya berapa sih? maksudnya kaya gini pajak kendaran kan bergantung dengan harga jualnya juga? jadi yang saya tanyakan berapa % dari harga mobil untuk kelas under 1500cc dan berapa % untuk kelas sampai 2000cc...
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males bgt biasa liat wish 1800 n 2000 cc full spek

jadi 1500 cc... cape deh
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harga-harga-harga... ini target semua atpm. apapun cara dan resikonya, harga harus kisaran 150 jutaan. masing2 brand (terutama brand massal) punya misi msk top ten. hrs ada satu model yg jd flagship, pejualan meroket, walaupun kalo dicermati, lepas dr "kebiasaan".

komplen pembeli (e.g. underpower, sempit, berisik/pelat tipis, short lifetime, etc) yaaa ditelen aja sbg resiko. kasar-kasarnya nih, ngomong bgini: "trima aja deh, mobil elu memang murahan, klo mau silahkan beli produk gw yg model ini, harganya? dobel-bel."

tapi konsumen lokal tau diri kok. enjoy-enjoy aja bro (contohnya gw, dan gw yakin temen2 gw banyak, buktinya mobil harga sgini, mostly top-ten listed, nguasai > 50% total penjualan).

jadi kalo ada Wish downspec dgn harga terjangkau, why not? dari sisi toyota, kayaknya Wish lokal (mid MPV) ga ngaruh ke Rush (low SUV)/Avanza (low MPV), kan segmennya jelas beda. malah takutnya efek ke Innova, terutama yg low (E). atau mungkin ini yg disebut Innova seri J? penjualan Avanza S (mid, yg harganya nyerempet-2 target Wish lokal) hanya 5% dr total Avanza, jd kemakan segitu pun Avanza msh leader (2007 --> 60,000 unit sold). prediksi gw, yg kena malah low-mid mpv merek lain yg main dikisaran segitu.
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wah kalo secara model gw suka wish daripada innova

tp biasa liat wish 2.0 mayan mewah

liat jadi 1.5 apa gak eneg ya.

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Iya daku sempet baca di tabloid otomotif katanya bakalan jadi grand livina "killer" .... wew bisa-bisa GL yang jadi idola di SM bisa jadi sama nasibnya kaya phanter dan kuda ...
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Berarti TAM kemarin black campaign ya ttg GL tidak bisa nanjak di mkg3 itu, krn teori2 tsb jadi tidak relevan lagi kan skrg alias cepat expired dgn wish baru ini.
Since TAM pun akhirnya akan meluncurkan produk semacam GL yg sebenarnya banyak advantages drpd tech existing produknya sekarang..
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Innova facelift jadi Wish, dijamin laku keras... :D
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nowadays berarti ekspektasi / harapan market cukup banyak ke arah produk macam wish yah, demand produk spt avanza/innova agak a bit intangible.
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Kalau kita bicara model sih, kelihatannya demand-nya ke arah Wish.
Tapi keunggulan GL justru bukan di model eksterirornya yang memang konservatif, tapi di hal-hal lain seperti irit BBM, kabin kedap, suspensi OK, mesin responsif dan kencang, transmisi manual 6 speed.
Kecuali Toyota Wish bisa memenuhi aspek lain itu (di luar modelnya yang memang lebih atraktif ketimbang GL), still question mark whether it will be a GL killer or not. Bagi orang yang mencari kenikmatan mengemudi, GL is still the best compared to Rush or Innova or Avanza