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saya mau tanya nih bos, emang mobil biasa yang pengapiannya standar tuh bisa pake busi platinum, copper,silver? apa emang bener performa naik walau di sektor mesin masih standar semua? thanks ya
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Klo maslah naik, mmg blm tentu dirasakan scara signifikan. Biasnya mmg gak signifikan.
Tp yg sudah pasti, performa gak turun.
Gitu kan?

Dg advantage, bila kondisi combustion chamber tdk berminyak, maka usia busi lbh panjang. Artinya lbh gak repot, terutama klo hidup di jkt yg waktu tu sgguh berharga.
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definisi "konduktivitas":
"kemampuan menghantar."

definisi "menghantar" atau "hantar":
ber·han·tar v ada yg menemani berjalan (mengawani, menerima);
datang tak berjemput, pulang tak ~ , pb perihal orang yg tidak diindahkan;
meng·han·tar v membawa (ke); meneruskan; menghantarkan; menyalurkan;
meng·han·tar·kan v menghantar;
han·tar·an n Fis 1 tenaga yg menyalurkan; 2 kesiapan sebuah konduktor menyalurkan arus listrik; 3 daya tahan listrik timbal balik;
peng·han·tar n 1 penerus; penyalur (arus listrik); 2 zat padat yg menghantarkan panas atau listrik; 3 kawat yg menyalurkan tenaga listrik; 4 penyalur barang; penyalur

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andy1800 wrote:Klo maslah naik, mmg blm tentu dirasakan scara signifikan. Biasnya mmg gak signifikan.
Tp yg sudah pasti, performa gak turun.
Gitu kan?

Dg advantage, bila kondisi combustion chamber tdk berminyak, maka usia busi lbh panjang. Artinya lbh gak repot, terutama klo hidup di jkt yg waktu tu sgguh berharga.

bener bos andy buat pendapatnya. masa udah beli busi mahal-mahal performa turun. iya bnr juga ya pendapatnya busi lebih panjang umur kan lebih baek dan ga ngerepotin hehehehehehe
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y_anjasrana wrote:knp ya iridium jg dipakai utk busi ya?
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wahhh penjelasannya mantph bgt nihhh.... masalahnya ada di durabilitas ya...
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Kalau dibaca emang tidak ada iklan busi iridium yg bilang akan meningkatkan power, karena arahnya ke durabilitas.

Bedakan dengan kabel busi yg perlu diberi tahanan agar tidak ada storing, menurut saya untuk businya sendiri perlu cari yg mampu memercikkan api sebesar2nya. Itu kalau coilnya sudah ganti yg hi power.

Kalau untuk mesin biasa sih mau busi apa aja sama aja, yg lebih penting ukuran panas dinginnya.
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@asudar: klo beda ukuran panas/dinginnya tu cm 1 step of 12 misalnya (1 stop klo di fotografi), itu tu signifikan banget gak sih?
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@ mbah : kalo yg ane rasain sehh ngaruh mbah... misal utk busi LFR5A dan 6A itu berasa lohh beda nya kalo dipake utk rute dalkot terus atau rute lurkot terus..
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O gitu ya...nah itu dohc...tlg dijabarkan yg itu tuh, gimana klo dalkot, gimana klo lukot?

Jg tlg cariin data dong, kode temperatur 5 dan 6 itu beda brp derajat? (Atau apa satuannya sih?)...lalu signifikansi di atas kertas bagaimana... sesuaikah dg yg dirasakan.

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jadi gini mbah.. busi itu kan ada istilah busi panas ama dingin... nahh kalo makin tinggi angkanya berarti makin dingin.. demikian pula vice versa.. kalo yg panas kan artinya gampang jadi panas tuh busi, cocok buat pemakaian dalkot yg ga perlu rpm tinggi2... sdgkan kalo busi dingin, cocok buat lurkot yg perlu rpm tinggi krn busi lebi susah panas.. efek nya yahh ke pembakaran lebi optimal dan umur pakai si busi itu sendiri..

beda nya busi panas ama dingin di insulator nya.. yg dingin insulator lebi panjang, yg panas lebi pendek..

beda brapa drajat nya ane ga tau.. blom ketemu jg data nya..
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Tentu dohc...kita semua udah paham panas dinginnya...jd misalnya LFR 1 A dgn LFR 12 A, tentu saja itu jelas peruntukannya...satu duinginn (racing), satunya lg busi puanasss.
Nah, itu kan jika 1 vs 12...tp jika lfr 5a dg lfr 6a...kayaknya pernah denger itu beda temperaturnya beti saja deh..katanya.

Nah utk itulah ane ingin dpt penjelasan yg lbh masuk akal, itu keduanya bedanya seberapa siih.
Tentu saja utk menjelaskan hal tsb, lbh baik bila disertai data spec tempertaurnya kan?
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toko denso yg di pecenongan ane tanya aja kaga tau mbah...

mungkin kita perlu adain factory visit nehh ke denso buat tanya bgituan...
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Masing2 pabrikan punya standar sendiri, jadinya kita cuma bisa trial and error.
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aah icic...Pendpt yg masuk akal.

Dus, 'penasaran' ttg signifikansi perbedaan 1 stop tsb adlh wajar utk disimpan saja dulu. Hoki2an aja, siapa tau kpn2 ada 'setan lewat' yg berkenan menerangkan hal yg nyerempet teknikal ini.
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kelamaan nungguin tuh setan lewat mbah... mendingan adain factory visit aja... ayoo siapa nehh yg kerja di denso... :mky_02: :mky_02: :mky_02:
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asudarsono wrote:Masing2 pabrikan punya standar sendiri, jadinya kita cuma bisa trial and error.
andy1800 wrote:aah icic...Pendpt yg masuk akal.

Dus, 'penasaran' ttg signifikansi perbedaan 1 stop tsb adlh wajar utk disimpan saja dulu. Hoki2an aja, siapa tau kpn2 ada 'setan lewat' yg berkenan menerangkan hal yg nyerempet teknikal ini.
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Seperti yg disampaikan pak Sudar, memang ada beberapa parameter yg tiap pabrikan punya standard sendiri. Misalnya rating ban dan salah satunya heat range busi ini, jadi tdk bisa di bandingkan antar merk.

Tapi...sepengetahuan awam saya, mencoba untuk membuat kesimpulan sendiri bedasarkan fakta umum, tapi tentunya ya CMIIW+IMALY
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Saat ini, untuk mobil bensin yang "umum" dan businya, didapat fakta kalau temperatur kerja combustion chamber dan firing end busi itu berkisar di rentang suhu 450 centigrade hingga 900 centigrade.
Di suhu berapakah yang paling optimal, nah ini kembali ke pabrikan mesin itu sendiri... ada yg ngeset dingin, ada yg ngeset panas.
Disepakati, kalau firing end saat combustion dibawah 450 centigrade, disitu zona "carbon fouling", dimana percikan api/temperatur tdk cukup untuk membakar habis campuran bbm
Diatas 900 centigrade, sudah sampai di zona Pre/Self-ignition" artinya bbm terbakar duluan karena panas/tekanan combustion dan belum sempat dipantik api busi

Kembali ke heat range busi, dari fakta diatas, mestinya busi ter-panas itu (apapun merk-nya) firing temperature-nya sekitar 450 centigrade, sedangkan busi terdingin 900 centigrade.
Rentang suhu combustion ini kurang lebih 450.
Nah, sekarang tinggal cek kembali saja ke masin-masin pabrikan busi.
Ambil contoh NGK, yang didapat dari sini
Tertulis, NGK Spark Plug's heat range goes from 2 (hottest) to 11 (coldest)
Artinya ada 10 jenis heat range dari NGK.

Kalau dilihat dari rentang suhu combustion tadi, ya tinggal 450 dibagi 10, alias 45.
Dari kesimpulan ngawur saya ini, rasanya tiap 1 stop heat range busi NGK, beda suhu firing end-nya 45 centigrade

Untuk busi merk lain, ya musti diketahui dulu ada berapa banyak heat range-nya


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imsus2c wrote:
asudarsono wrote:Masing2 pabrikan punya standar sendiri, jadinya kita cuma bisa trial and error.
andy1800 wrote:aah icic...Pendpt yg masuk akal.

Dus, 'penasaran' ttg signifikansi perbedaan 1 stop tsb adlh wajar utk disimpan saja dulu. Hoki2an aja, siapa tau kpn2 ada 'setan lewat' yg berkenan menerangkan hal yg nyerempet teknikal ini.
:thanks:
Seperti yg disampaikan pak Sudar, memang ada beberapa parameter yg tiap pabrikan punya standard sendiri. Misalnya rating ban dan salah satunya heat range busi ini, jadi tdk bisa di bandingkan antar merk.

Tapi...sepengetahuan awam saya, mencoba untuk membuat kesimpulan sendiri bedasarkan fakta umum, tapi tentunya ya CMIIW+IMALY
*ribet banget nulisnya

Saat ini, untuk mobil bensin yang "umum" dan businya, didapat fakta kalau temperatur kerja combustion chamber dan firing end busi itu berkisar di rentang suhu 450 centigrade hingga 900 centigrade.
Di suhu berapakah yang paling optimal, nah ini kembali ke pabrikan mesin itu sendiri... ada yg ngeset dingin, ada yg ngeset panas.
Disepakati, kalau firing end saat combustion dibawah 450 centigrade, disitu zona "carbon fouling", dimana percikan api/temperatur tdk cukup untuk membakar habis campuran bbm
Diatas 900 centigrade, sudah sampai di zona Pre/Self-ignition" artinya bbm terbakar duluan karena panas/tekanan combustion dan belum sempat dipantik api busi

Kembali ke heat range busi, dari fakta diatas, mestinya busi ter-panas itu (apapun merk-nya) firing temperature-nya sekitar 450 centigrade, sedangkan busi terdingin 900 centigrade.
Rentang suhu combustion ini kurang lebih 450.
Nah, sekarang tinggal cek kembali saja ke masin-masin pabrikan busi.
Ambil contoh NGK, yang didapat dari sini
Tertulis, NGK Spark Plug's heat range goes from 2 (hottest) to 11 (coldest)
Artinya ada 10 jenis heat range dari NGK.

Kalau dilihat dari rentang suhu combustion tadi, ya tinggal 450 dibagi 10, alias 45.
Dari kesimpulan ngawur saya ini, rasanya tiap 1 stop heat range busi NGK, beda suhu firing end-nya 45 centigrade

Untuk busi merk lain, ya musti diketahui dulu ada berapa banyak heat range-nya


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nahh ini baru postingan bergizi dari meneer.... ga perlu factory visit dehh kalo gt...
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yaaa dohc....ane dah telanjur ngepack baju niiih buat hadiri factory visit :off_sleep:
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ya ud ntar kita factory visit ke pabrik ngepak dus busi nya denso... belajar gmana ngepak busi...
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sementara itu, ane belok ke facytory outlet dulu yak
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