Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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alo nubie datang lagi (ga berkembang statusnya :big_slap: )
ehm mungkin beberapa kali udah di bahas tapi masih belum paham
tentang jeroan mesin
apa bedanya roller rocker dan flat tapped
terus keunggulan dan kelemahan masing masing apa

selanjutnya soal pemilihan pelumas, seperti om turbo jelaskan bahwa flat tapped ga boleh api sm tetapi kalau roller rocker boleh kenapa?
sama satu lagi perawatannya lebih simple mana?
thank :thanks:
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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simple clue-nya :
Tutntutan emisi rendah ---> emission devices (CC dll)
Demi perlindungan CC ---> kadar ZDDP disunat
krn kadar ZDDP disunat ---> diterapkan roller rocker arm

ZDDP = antiwear agent utk perlindungan valve train

Nah selebihnya silakan di google dah......

Soal perawatan = semua komponen jeroan mesin ya bebas perawatan, intinya ganti oli teratur sesuai spec

Utk klep, kecuali sistem HLA, yg sistem Shim / mur / tappet ya bisa disetel.

Google for further detail
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Mobil yang system Roller rocker apa aja ya?juga yang flat tapped,baru nyadar pas mau ganti2 oli,kirain asal agak mahal asal tuang sudAh
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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nugroho bagor wrote:Mobil yang system Roller rocker apa aja ya?juga yang flat tapped,baru nyadar pas mau ganti2 oli,kirain asal agak mahal asal tuang sudAh
Mobil Honda ?

Dr th 2006 udah RR semua kayaknya

Yg tahun2 sebelumnya juga udah, tapi better check aja tuk pastinya
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Turboman wrote:simple clue-nya :
Tutntutan emisi rendah ---> emission devices (CC dll)
Demi perlindungan CC ---> kadar ZDDP disunat
krn kadar ZDDP disunat ---> diterapkan roller rocker arm

ZDDP = antiwear agent utk perlindungan valve train

Nah selebihnya silakan di google dah......

Soal perawatan = semua komponen jeroan mesin ya bebas perawatan, intinya ganti oli teratur sesuai spec

Utk klep, kecuali sistem HLA, yg sistem Shim / mur / tappet ya bisa disetel.

Google for further detail
Yang mengherankan Pelumas Toyota Motor Oil API SM tanpa embel2 MBxxx atau Acea A/B diterapkan ke Mobil2 Rush dan Avanza yg notabene setahu nubie dibuat oleh Daihatsu dan Flat tappet pemakaian 10ribu km lagian...
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Iya nih bener kata om MI16 di beres toyota mobil2 flat tappet dicekokin oli TMO API SM. Yg ane heran oli semi syn kok disuruh ganti tiap 10rb KM. Yaris adek ane jg gitu disuruh ganti tiap 10rb KM. Akhirnya pas odo di 70rb KM ane ganti castrol magnatec di SnD. Mayan udh comply MB 229.1
Dulu jg pas ane msh pake terios di beres daihatsu dicekokin motul multi powerplus 10-40 API SM jg. Ganti tiap 5rb KM. Pas di odo 57rb KM ganti ke mobil super 2000 saran dari om MI16 hehe.. Udh comply ke MB 229.1

Btw om turbo, kalo valve train yg dah kena itu gejalanya kyk gmn??
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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nah efeknya kalau flat tapped dicekokin api sm apa om?
padahal itu di beres daihatsu dan toyota banyak dicekokin api sm?
apa belum pernah ada yang komplain?
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Jambangan wrote:Iya nih bener kata om MI16 di beres toyota mobil2 flat tappet dicekokin oli TMO API SM. Yg ane heran oli semi syn kok disuruh ganti tiap 10rb KM. Yaris adek ane jg gitu disuruh ganti tiap 10rb KM. Akhirnya pas odo di 70rb KM ane ganti castrol magnatec di SnD. Mayan udh comply MB 229.1
Dulu jg pas ane msh pake terios di beres daihatsu dicekokin motul multi powerplus 10-40 API SM jg. Ganti tiap 5rb KM. Pas di odo 57rb KM ganti ke mobil super 2000 saran dari om MI16 hehe.. Udh comply ke MB 229.1

Btw om turbo, kalo valve train yg dah kena itu gejalanya kyk gmn??
semy synth kayak hx 7 api SN udah comply mb 229.3 (di test 30.000 kilo)
jadi boleh dicoba sampai 10 ribu kikikiki
tapi yaris nya ga masalahkan ganti oli per 10 rebu?
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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c_adhi_k wrote: semy synth kayak hx 7 api SN udah comply mb 229.3 (di test 30.000 kilo)
jadi boleh dicoba sampai 10 ribu kikikiki
tapi yaris nya ga masalahkan ganti oli per 10 rebu?
Kalo yaris adek ane pake TMO pas hampir 10rb KM mesin jadi rada berisik om. Kyk suara "tek2" gitu kalo lagi idle
Seminggu kemaren ane ganti castrol mayan berkurang suaranya
Ane ga tau itu ada hubungannya ama umur oli apa cuma sugesti doang :mrgreen:
Btw yaris om adhi pake HX7??
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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heem hx7 he....
cari yang ga nguras kantong
mau pake pastron gold mahal
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c_adhi_k wrote:heem hx7 he....
cari yang ga nguras kantong
mau pake pastron gold mahal
Hmm, mantep jg ya HX7 dah 229.3
Waktu itu beli di beres om??
Kalo fastron gold kok jarang nemu ya. Waktu itu ane cek di SPBU cuma ada yg fastron 10-40 ama prima xp
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Sori, nubie masih agak bingung,

klo avz termasuk flat tapped kah? jadi harus pake oli yg comply apa?
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iwidiyanto wrote:Sori, nubie masih agak bingung,

klo avz termasuk flat tapped kah? jadi harus pake oli yg comply apa?
Flat tappet

yg API SL atau ACEA A3 / B4 atau MB 229.1 (idealnya)
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Flat tapped and roller type:
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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apa akibatnya kalo avanza yang termasuk FT bila dikasih oli dengan SM grade pak turbo ? bukannya gak apa-apa ?
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Turboman wrote: Flat tappet

yg API SL atau ACEA A3 / B4 atau MB 229.1 (idealnya)
Thanks om Turbo penjelasannya :mky_02:
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dieselkiki wrote:apa akibatnya kalo avanza yang termasuk FT bila dikasih oli dengan SM grade pak turbo ? bukannya gak apa-apa ?
Kalo jarang digeber en gantinya cepet / 5000 Km Max yah ga pa pa
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Turboman wrote:
dieselkiki wrote:apa akibatnya kalo avanza yang termasuk FT bila dikasih oli dengan SM grade pak turbo ? bukannya gak apa-apa ?
Kalo jarang digeber en gantinya cepet / 5000 Km Max yah ga pa pa
Berarti magna 5w-30 udah cocok ya.. API SL.
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Tadi pagi coba liat kilometer, apa perlu ganti dolo olinya...
Oh... baru jalan 4.500km..
Masih 5.500km lagii...
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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VanzMatic wrote:
Turboman wrote:
dieselkiki wrote:apa akibatnya kalo avanza yang termasuk FT bila dikasih oli dengan SM grade pak turbo ? bukannya gak apa-apa ?
Kalo jarang digeber en gantinya cepet / 5000 Km Max yah ga pa pa
Berarti magna 5w-30 udah cocok ya.. API SL.
:mky_02:

Tadi pagi coba liat kilometer, apa perlu ganti dolo olinya...
Oh... baru jalan 4.500km..
Masih 5.500km lagii...
:mky_02:

Tabungan amaaan...
:mky_02:
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Maaf nuwbee mau numpang tanya, klo nissan grand lipina itu flat tappet atau roller rocker ya kira2, kmrn di nissan dikasih NGO 5w-30 itu API SN apa bisa dipakai 10.000km ya??
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Re: Roller rocker vs flat tapped

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Om Turbo, kalau mesin K10B wagon r di manual book disarankan pakai SAE 0W-20, apa ini tidak terlalu encer?
Btw, sekarang oli TMO sudah API SN untuk yang semi sintetik 10W-40, jadi sudah diperbarui beberapa bulan yang lalu.