CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

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memang ga ada rencana masukin crv diesel kok...
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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€lj€p€ wrote:Perlu diingat juga, niatnya Principal Toyota untuk membuat proyek IMV ialah membantu negara-2 Asean untuk mengembangkan industri komponen. Karena kalau tetap berpabrik di Jepang, belum tentu industri komponen di negara Asean bisa lolos uji kelayakan. Toyota juga sudah memberikan platform Hi Lux VIGO sebagai basis yang mana kemudian Innova dan Fortuner adalah derivative nya.

Sebaliknya Principal Chevy juga bermaksud mengembangkan sayapnya di negara Asean. Meskipun selama ini sudah ada di Australia dengan Holden, tetapi belum cukup untuk disebut Global. Jadi dengan mengambil alih Daewoo, mereka bisa melakukan keinginan mereka. Daripada engineer di USA memikirkan keinginan orang Asean/Asia, mereka merasa lebih baik mengembangkan produk di Asean/Asia. Kalau merancang, membuat dan mengirim ke Asean/Asia pasti akan mahal sekali. Sebaliknya kalau merancang, membuat di Asean/Asia dan mengirim ke Amerika harganya masih lebih masuk akal. Chevy juga berhasil di arena balap dengan mobil keluaran Daewoo ini...


Nah sekarang keduanya masuk Ina.. pertama struktur pajak di Indonesia, regulasi industri dsb-2.
Toyota sebagai pemain lama.. mungkin harus setor pajak lebih besar, sebaliknya Chevy yang jauh lebih muda dikenai pajak yang lebih kecil... Kemudian ditambah lagi melihat pasar di Indonesia...
seperti yang pernah saya tulis somewhere : "it doesn't need a genius to sell Toyota", sebaliknya Chevy masih struggling untuk penetrasi pasar. Jadi harus ada selling point nya...

Apa yang kita terima ditangan baik itu Toyota ataupun Chevy adalah hasil akhir dari satu juta permasalahan. Mungkin juga pihak principal Toyota dan Chevy tidak really happy dengan keadaan di Ina... tapi as long as it sells.. is good enough...
nah sangat betul tuh, lagipula toyota di negara2 seperti USA atau australia masuk dlm bentuk cbu, jadi pajak serta komponen2nya pun lebih mahal dari produk lokal nya.

Kebetulan ngomongin imv, sy tambahin lg ternyata betul tuh avanza part of imv. Sy br tau ternyata rush jg proyek imv.

Toyota's President Katsuaki Watanabe interviewed by Jakarta Post “But as far as Indonesia's operation is concerned, we have -- under the IMV project -- produced with Daihatsu, the Avanza and Xenia vehicles, respectively.” http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2005 ... arket.html

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which includes the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.change-of-life.com/car-kohsamui.html

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Toyota_Fortuner

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux and Innova. Alongside with Avanza as the vehicle which underneath the project.” http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Toyota_Fortuner

“Rush is assembled in Indonesia and exported all over the world. Rush is one of the cars built by Toyota with the under-IMV concept. Cars that belong to this category are mini version of the IMV (Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles) initiatives. For example Avanza is an under-IMV of MPV such as Innova while Rush is an under-IMV of SUV such as Fortuner.” http://indovehicles.com/?paged=2


“Also called the Avanza in some markets, the Xenia may be offered in two engine options - 1 litre and 1.3 litre petrol - both highly fuel-efficient. The project, called U-IMV, will pack in Toyota's design skills and its fuel efficient engine, combined with Daihatsu's small car expertise. The Xenia/Avanza has spacious interiors and may be sourced from Indonesia, where it was launched at a price below Rp100 million (under $12,000) last year.” http://www.domain-b.com/automotive/feat ... 4_cars.htm

“However, insider whisperings suggest the new car may be the Toyota Avanza.The Avanza is a seven-seater and will rival cars such as the Renault Kangoo Multix, VW Caddy and Peugeot Partner. Pricing is expected to be keen and very competitive.Currently the Avanza, which is marketed as an affordable and functional people carrier, is being manufactured in Indonesia and exported to countries such as Thailand.” http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News ... 91,00.html

“The Avanza/Xenia is likely to offer two engine options -- a 1 litre and a 1.3 litre petrol, both highly fuel efficient. The project, entitled U-IMV, will pack in Toyota's design skills as well as a fuel efficient engine and marry it with Daihatsu's small car expertise.” http://www.magindia.com/manarch/news/man20734.html


apa pak 4tunerman mo menyanggah? hahaha silahkan saja, tp jgn ke sy, silahkan lsg menuju link2 tersebut

o iya, btw, ga ada yg nyama2in pform avanza ke 4tuner atau ipah, tuh...tp klo ipah 4tuner memang diakuin hihihiihi...
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Leonhearts wrote:memang ga ada rencana masukin crv diesel kok...
yoi bro, cb masuk ya..hm..keren deh persaingan diesel di indo
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roadtrain99 wrote:“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which includes the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.change-of-life.com/car-kohsamui.html

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Toyota_Fortuner

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux and Innova. Alongside with Avanza as the vehicle which underneath the project.” http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Toyota_Fortuner

“Rush is assembled in Indonesia and exported all over the world. Rush is one of the cars built by Toyota with the under-IMV concept. Cars that belong to this category are mini version of the IMV (Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles) initiatives. For example Avanza is an under-IMV of MPV such as Innova while Rush is an under-IMV of SUV such as Fortuner.” http://indovehicles.com/?paged=2
Langsung dari Toyota Jepang aja....biar gak asal link ntah berantah..(sekalian belajar memilih internet source yg ngaco dan yg benar - Ini cuman perlu sedikit saja otak kok)

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/strategy/imv/index.html

"The completely new full lineup is to consist of three pickup trucks of different body types, a minivan and an SUV, collectively known as IMVs. "
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AVANZA = Under IMVs car, menurut saya bisa dibilang IMV car ok, bukan IMV car juga bisa....

Mengenai source website, toyota.co.jp itu source aslinya, kalo yang lain mungkin sitenya adalah kaya majalah2 bentuknya independen. Independen biasanya mengulas abis atau bisa dibilang memberitakan rahasia perusahaan yang merahasiakan proyeknya...

Contoh aja claim toyota KIJANG INNOVA 1:11-12, tapi autobild atau autocar sebagai indenpenden mengetes dan mengeluarkan data 1:7-8,,, Anda boleh percaya mana saja,, semuanya benar kok.. Autobild sendiri bilang AVANZA XENIA is under the IMVS project...
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Tergantung mau percaya yang independen atau sumber asli loh...

back to topic aja
Captiva diesel sekrg penjualan dah meludak,,, inden hampir 2 bulan...
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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Leonhearts wrote:AVANZA = Under IMVs car, menurut saya bisa dibilang IMV car ok, bukan IMV car juga bisa....

Mengenai source website, toyota.co.jp itu source aslinya, kalo yang lain mungkin sitenya adalah kaya majalah2 bentuknya independen. Independen biasanya mengulas abis atau bisa dibilang memberitakan rahasia perusahaan yang merahasiakan proyeknya...

Contoh aja claim toyota KIJANG INNOVA 1:11-12, tapi autobild atau autocar sebagai indenpenden mengetes dan mengeluarkan data 1:7-8,,, Anda boleh percaya mana saja,, semuanya benar kok.. Autobild sendiri bilang AVANZA XENIA is under the IMVS project...
Terserah kalo mau percaya absoluteastronomy.com (salah satu link yg diberikan) atau Toyota of Japan. Hanya dengan sedikit nalar bisa kita pikir sendiri, kalo sharing platform pasti bisa saling tukar menukar komponen...terutama mesin. Liat aja liang mesin Avanza, bisa gak masuk mesin Fortuner(2.5 D4D, 3.0 D4D, 2.7 atau 4.0 V6)??

Cuman kalo sudah niat asbun...yah...saya mau bilang apa lagi...
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FortunerMan wrote:
Leonhearts wrote:AVANZA = Under IMVs car, menurut saya bisa dibilang IMV car ok, bukan IMV car juga bisa....

Mengenai source website, toyota.co.jp itu source aslinya, kalo yang lain mungkin sitenya adalah kaya majalah2 bentuknya independen. Independen biasanya mengulas abis atau bisa dibilang memberitakan rahasia perusahaan yang merahasiakan proyeknya...

Contoh aja claim toyota KIJANG INNOVA 1:11-12, tapi autobild atau autocar sebagai indenpenden mengetes dan mengeluarkan data 1:7-8,,, Anda boleh percaya mana saja,, semuanya benar kok.. Autobild sendiri bilang AVANZA XENIA is under the IMVS project...
Terserah kalo mau percaya absoluteastronomy.com (salah satu link yg diberikan) atau Toyota of Japan. Hanya dengan sedikit nalar bisa kita pikir sendiri, kalo sharing platform pasti bisa saling tukar menukar komponen...terutama mesin. Liat aja liang mesin Avanza, bisa gak masuk mesin Fortuner(2.5 D4D, 3.0 D4D, 2.7 atau 4.0 V6)??

Cuman kalo sudah niat asbun...yah...saya mau bilang apa lagi...
wah wah wah.. lu bilang saya asbun atau websitenya atau autobil yang asbun.... Saya sih dari tadi gak bilang avanza itu imv or not..terserah orangnya mau bilang imv atau tidak...

Lu bilang prado dan fortuner sharing platform mesin, jadi prado itu IMV ya
Saya bilang prado bukan IMV lu kok ga marah..

Ah malas kalo berdebat ama orang yang emosi...

Gw dari hari itu ga mau follow up lagi.. dan mengenai topik sebelumnya, saya tidak lagi follow up hanya menerangkan "MAU PERCAYA IMVS OK NO IMVS"?
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/artic ... page_m.asp

"The Rush is a variant in the ‘Under-IMV’ family of products, the other being the Avanza. The IMV (it stands for ‘Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles’) project was conceived as an industrial project which would span the globe and isame ncludes the Hilux, Fortuner and Innova; ‘Under-IMV’ models are smaller but use the approach which has been able to lower production costs so as to be able to offer customers more affordable vehicles. Sharing the same platform as the Avanza helps to enhance economies of scale but the bodystyle is that of a compact SUV rather than a MPV. This means it is aimed at a different target group, mainly the young and active types."

WOOOOOIIIIIII JANGAN DIPERCAYA SUMBER DIATAS YAAA... PERCAYA TOYOTA.CO,JP AJA

hahhahahaha,

Pokoke mau parcaya imv kek, u-imv kek i don't care
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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Leonhearts wrote: Captiva diesel sekrg penjualan dah meludak,,, inden hampir 2 bulan...
Good

Semoga Prinsipalnya juga benar2 komit utk memajukan merek / produk yg dijualnya.

Kalo para prinsipal / ATPM bersaing serius dalam memperebutkan pangsa pasar maka konsumen-lah yg diuntungkan. :big_peace:

Yg bohwat adalah ATPM yg berprinsip "Mau laku sukur, nggak laku yach uwis...." :capede:
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Leonhearts wrote:http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/artic ... page_m.asp

"The Rush is a variant in the ‘Under-IMV’ family of products, the other being the Avanza. The IMV (it stands for ‘Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles’) project was conceived as an industrial project which would span the globe and isame ncludes the Hilux, Fortuner and Innova; ‘Under-IMV’ models are smaller but use the approach which has been able to lower production costs so as to be able to offer customers more affordable vehicles. Sharing the same platform as the Avanza helps to enhance economies of scale but the bodystyle is that of a compact SUV rather than a MPV. This means it is aimed at a different target group, mainly the young and active types."

WOOOOOIIIIIII JANGAN DIPERCAYA SUMBER DIATAS YAAA... PERCAYA TOYOTA.CO,JP AJA

hahhahahaha,

Pokoke mau parcaya imv kek, u-imv kek i don't care
Kenapa nggak percaya...ini betul kok :thanks:
U-IMV = Rush/Avanza
IMV = Hilux/Innova/Fortuner
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Tenang-tenang tidak usah menggunakan kata-2 negatif yang mengarah ke penulis. Kita semua disini saling belajar... saling mengisi dan menambah pengetahuan.... Jadikan SM ini referensi untuk pengamat yang lain, bukan untuk saling menjatuhkan...

Seperti yang sudah saya tulis sebelumnya... intinya ... Jepang ingin memperlancar ekonomi di kawasan Asia/Asean. Jadi ada umbrella project IMV yang sharing platform antar sesama Toyota kemudian ada U-IMV...yang memanfaatkan subsidiary company dengan melakukan rebadging (pabrik tetap Daihatsu tetapi di rebadge Toyota).
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FortunerMan wrote:
Leonhearts wrote:AVANZA = Under IMVs car, menurut saya bisa dibilang IMV car ok, bukan IMV car juga bisa....

Mengenai source website, toyota.co.jp itu source aslinya, kalo yang lain mungkin sitenya adalah kaya majalah2 bentuknya independen. Independen biasanya mengulas abis atau bisa dibilang memberitakan rahasia perusahaan yang merahasiakan proyeknya...

Contoh aja claim toyota KIJANG INNOVA 1:11-12, tapi autobild atau autocar sebagai indenpenden mengetes dan mengeluarkan data 1:7-8,,, Anda boleh percaya mana saja,, semuanya benar kok.. Autobild sendiri bilang AVANZA XENIA is under the IMVS project...
Terserah kalo mau percaya absoluteastronomy.com (salah satu link yg diberikan) atau Toyota of Japan. Hanya dengan sedikit nalar bisa kita pikir sendiri, kalo sharing platform pasti bisa saling tukar menukar komponen...terutama mesin. Liat aja liang mesin Avanza, bisa gak masuk mesin Fortuner(2.5 D4D, 3.0 D4D, 2.7 atau 4.0 V6)??

Cuman kalo sudah niat asbun...yah...saya mau bilang apa lagi...
emang kalo under imv, harus ber dek mesin yg sama dengan platform sama ya? nama nya udah imv, target toyota bikin mobil dengan komponen murah...kesannya kayak gengsi gitu klo 4tuner sama2 imv dgn avanza...
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FortunerMan wrote:
roadtrain99 wrote:“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which includes the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.change-of-life.com/car-kohsamui.html

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux, Innova and the Avanza.” http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Toyota_Fortuner

“The Fortuner is part of Toyota's IMV project which include the Hilux and Innova. Alongside with Avanza as the vehicle which underneath the project.” http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Toyota_Fortuner

“Rush is assembled in Indonesia and exported all over the world. Rush is one of the cars built by Toyota with the under-IMV concept. Cars that belong to this category are mini version of the IMV (Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles) initiatives. For example Avanza is an under-IMV of MPV such as Innova while Rush is an under-IMV of SUV such as Fortuner.” http://indovehicles.com/?paged=2
Langsung dari Toyota Jepang aja....biar gak asal link ntah berantah..(sekalian belajar memilih internet source yg ngaco dan yg benar - Ini cuman perlu sedikit saja otak kok)

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/strategy/imv/index.html

"The completely new full lineup is to consist of three pickup trucks of different body types, a minivan and an SUV, collectively known as IMVs. "
kok yg ini:
roadtrain99 wrote:Toyota's President Katsuaki Watanabe interviewed by Jakarta Post “But as far as Indonesia's operation is concerned, we have -- under the IMV project -- produced with Daihatsu, the Avanza and Xenia vehicles, respectively.” http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2005 ... arket.html
tidak ditanggapi? yg bicara president toyota nya, interview dgn jakarta post lagi. Jd ga asbun dong sy he3x
dr toyota nya bisa aja bilang u-imv, biar ngakali customer, tp di customer tetep aja imv.
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link dr pak 4tunerman, liat ada jalur produksi ke jepang nya di petanya? sptnya mobil2 IMV series hanya dari negara2 di luar jepang. Yakin mesin/body 4tuner anda sama dgn spec prado dari jepang? http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/strategy/imv/index.html

sedangkan landcruiser lsg produk jepang, chassis di honsha, engine di tahara:
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota ... index.html
mesin boleh dari family yg sama, refinement & fine tuning nya beda. Klo sm persis, rugi dong yg punya prado.

mesin2 mobil imv (Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicles) series di produk di indonesia (bensin) & thailand (diesel) utk cut production cost, krn Jepang ingin 100% component dari sumber di luar jepang. Hilux di jepang tidak laku lalu design nya di copy utk overseas market.http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/artic ... page_m.asp

he3x sy hanya memaparkan data. klo ndak suka silahkan complain menuju link terkait hehehe...

btw, toyota jg sudah ngincer saham isuzu, apa udah beli ya...pas denger d4d suaranya mirip panther...beda dgn prado diesel nya
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biar netral aja nih, mungkin ngebantu jg bagi yg sedang penasaran tentang captiva ada review dari Kompas
http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/06/ ... a.fortuner

setelah liat ternyata bobot kedua mobil hampir sama, bahkan captiva lebih berat, pertanda plat besinya lebih tebal kah?

soal kenyamanan sih relatif lah, beda org beda rasa.
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bukannya captiva non-ladder, masih lebih berat 45kg dari fortuner ya?
mesin kan dibuat di masing2 region yah mirip juga dgn camry/accord dll di us dan euro bisa jadi beda pabrik dan asal bahan, kalo ud utk mobil non-premium kan krn lebih prioritas efisiensi cost.
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GTR wrote:mesin kan dibuat di masing2 region yah mirip juga dgn camry/accord dll di us dan euro bisa jadi beda pabrik dan asal bahan, kalo ud utk mobil non-premium kan krn lebih prioritas efisiensi cost.
Biarin aja bro...orang kalo udah niat asbun/bohong...mau dikasi fakta kaya apa juga ngeyel. Jelas2 udah kode mesin sama, power/torque output sama...masih ngeyel.
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GTR wrote:bukannya captiva non-ladder, masih lebih berat 45kg dari fortuner ya?
Secara teori semestinya monocoque body lebih unggul di bobot dengan yg ladder frame. Tapi Captiva beratnya kurang lebih sama dengan Fortuner Diesel, berarti teori diatas ga absolute dong ya? I wonder why... :ungg:

Btw tadi lewat di Auto 2K dan ngelihat Fortuner Diesel yg facelift. Harga di Bali lebih mahal 5 jt dr Jkt = Rp. 309Jt. Exterior improve dr yg lama dgn grill baru dan lampu tipe proyektor. Velg yg lebih besar jg cukup membantu penampilan. Interior except for hard plastic cukup impresif dgn tersedianya layar LCD dr TOYOTA, auto folding mirror, airbag dan yes MID dan tombol audio di stir.

Pas tiba giliran test drive saya rasakan getaran pas baru start cukup keras dan berangsur melemah. Overall getaran dan suara sedikit lebih keras dr Captiva (suara mungkin pengaruh indoor). Test jalan suara halus tapi saya merasakan tenaga fortuner diesel yang sangat kurang. Walaupun dengan transmisi manual akselerasi terasa lambat, saya coba naikkan rpm juga tidak banyak membantu. Selesai test drive saya kembali ke Captiva saya, dan perbedaan power terasa sekali. Cheers.
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beda, krn commonrail captiva tmsk generasi lebuh muda, selain output/liternya besar harusnya memang bisa lebih halus spt commonrail sedan2 model c270cdi dll.
akselerasi yg 10detikan juga mirip most sedan, pasti terasa enteng.
nah bobotnya ini (kalo kapasitas mesin kurang lebih sama) kan bisa jadi lebih disumbangkan dari perbedan lain2 misal terutama plat body, dll.
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Re: CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

Post by penyubali »

O ya tadi juga ada liat LC Diesel yg baru di showroom, semuanya of course lbh ok dr Fortuner kecuali headunitnya kalah keren minus LCD..hehehe LC HU nya seperti Innova. Sorry OOT. :big_peace:
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Re: CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

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Jadi fortuner diesel bobotnya lebih ringan 200kg dari yang bensin ya....Jangan dibandingkan yang fortuner diesel dengan captiva diesel 0-100 10.5dtk banding 0-100 19.5 dtk hampir 2 x lipat...

fortuner diesel pantansnya dibandingkan dengan panther touring toh.. Plat dan interior pake bahan yang hampir sama hanya panther minus mid dan airbag doang...
Saatnya konsumer lebih kritis.....beli sesuai dengan hati nurani...biarpun bermerek tapi mahal tidak sesuai harga.....dan jangan pernah dibohongin dengan alasan2 yang aneh lagi.....go konsumer Indonesia
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Re: CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

Post by €lj€p€ »

Saya kira sudah pada capai... rupanya kompor makin menyala... hahaaaa. gpp deh... cuma di tulisan dunia maya kok... jangan sampai tawuran seperti mahasiswa di Jakarta itu... siapa tahu nanti ada yang mau merancang "game" nya....
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Re: CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

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makin seru bro eljepe, kita yg numpang baca kan nanggapinya sebagai pengetahuan :big_peace:
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Re: CAPTIVA DIESEL - worth to buy???

Post by FortunerMan »

Leonhearts wrote:fortuner diesel pantansnya dibandingkan dengan panther touring toh.. Plat dan interior pake bahan yang hampir sama hanya panther minus mid dan airbag doang...
Mudah2an ada yg percaya ya bro...supaya penjualan Captiva meningkat dan anda dapet persen :off_good_job: