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Segala mobil tipe SUV (2WD/4WD). (Cherokee, Terios, Rush, dll).

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Harganya bakal nyentuh 500jtan donk...wow...kondisi krisis ekonomi gini bikin nyesek. Pdhl nih fortie udah kebawa2 mimpi
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nflfrs705 wrote:
ricz wrote:Mesin disel sepertinya pake 2GD FTV dan 6 speed AT...

Dan kalo utk mesin bensin, apa ganti mesin ato ttp pake 2TR FE seperti yg lama? :big_think:
Kemungkinan besar masih pake 2TR yg ditambah gimmick lain spt dual VVT-i. Tenaga 167 hp 245 Nm
Boleh jg sih klo ditambah dual vvti... Asal jangan dikasi transmisi 4 speed baheulanya aja :big_slap:
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ricz wrote:
nflfrs705 wrote:
ricz wrote:Mesin disel sepertinya pake 2GD FTV dan 6 speed AT...

Dan kalo utk mesin bensin, apa ganti mesin ato ttp pake 2TR FE seperti yg lama? :big_think:
Kemungkinan besar masih pake 2TR yg ditambah gimmick lain spt dual VVT-i. Tenaga 167 hp 245 Nm
Boleh jg sih klo ditambah dual vvti... Asal jangan dikasi transmisi 4 speed baheulanya aja :big_slap:
4 speed mah ke laut aja... Udah lanjut usia :mky_02:
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Rem belakang udah cakram?

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Rem belakang drum, 6 speed auto, udah official kan
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fortuner kan kepala truk kuning..ya bagus belakangnya rem drum..kuat rem angkat beban berat..

pintar bgt toyota desainnya...belakang,samping,depan bagus..belum sanggup RX ya beli ini aja...
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Turboman wrote:PJS sebetulnya acceptance oleh publik sini udah bagus, sayangnya produknya sendiri nggak se tangguh 42ner.......problem lebih banyak drpd 42ner.......

Kalo Isuzu kend penumpangnya selama dipegang Astra sih kasihan........jadi anak tiri terus

Andai aja misal Isuzu dulu berhasil masukkin MU-7 waktu Panther masih berjaya sekitar th 2003 - 2004......mungkin suksesi MU-7 ke MU-X akan lebih baik

Nah skg saat MU-X masuk, image publik awam thd Isuzu means Truk dan Panther.......tiba2 MU-X muncul sambutan publik bukan antusias malah orang bingung2 dan heran2

Kalo Toyota sedikit banyak juga ditopang image Lexus sbg simbol status.........selain Ipah dan 42 Ner sgt favorit

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nflfrs705 wrote:Rem belakang udah cakram?

[img]http://s1.paultan.org/image/2015/07/hr_15_Fortuner_Reveal_05-e1437026349689.jpg[/img]
Nih udah pake piringan :P
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nflfrs705 wrote:Rem belakang udah cakram?

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Yg mau lihat fotonya lebih banyak lagi.
http://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2016-fortuner/
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ini fortie kl masuk, apa kabar rav4 jadi nya yahh... kl bener harga fortie ud ampir 400an-500 jt... enjin lebi gede, daleman lumayan jg, luar yahh nyomot dikit2 lexus... mending ambil ini dehh drpd rav4 kl harga nya mirip2...
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Turboman wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:Ground clearenceny drop jd 193mm........ kalah ama apansa n terios wkakakaka yg lama 220mm despite smaller tyre

Celah roda sgtu besar? Perasaan ps lebih besar lg deh

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Ground clearance kan ditung dari titik bagian yg terdekat ke jalan

ada kemungkinann rumah bonggol gardan AN 42ner ini lebih gede dikit dr 42ner yg skg

kalo ukur jarak bawah dek ke tanah ya pasti jauh lebih tinggi drpd dek pansah
dan memang yang paling penting penting jarak titik terendah ke tanah...... klw dek yang dimaksud floor clearence... ya errr floor clearence tinggi tp nyangkut di titik terendah ntah bonggol atw suspensi y percuma....

dri yg lama drop 220 ke 193 bedanya jauh hampir 3cm, padahal ban baru lebih besar, bwat yg pke onroad bisa berbahagia lower...............

hidung dibikin manyun tinggal nunggu data approach angle ram break over dan departure angle aja ni dibanding yg lama lebih baik mana.

sistem 4x4ny juga jadi konvensional.......... 2H 4H 4L... tidak ada lagi mode Torsen Fulltime 4x4 ala prado,fjcruise,LC dll....downgred ni... mungkin karna yg skrng di jual di ostrali juga berdampingan ama prado, fortunerny di turunin feature 4x4ny biar yg mw fitur 4x4 komplit tetep k prado.



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Katanya part time 4WD lebih kuat buat offroad?
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teppey wrote:Katanya part time 4WD lebih kuat buat offroad?
Yg lama bisa fulltime untuk aspal kering highspeed hingga gravel,sekaligus ada partime untuk medan berat ada lowgir partime jg.....Jd paket kumplit,

Skrng partime saja g bisa dipakai di aspal, dan g boleh dipakai belok di permukaan kering/grippy basic 4wd

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walopun sistem 4x4 mayoritas tidak dibutuhkan para pembeli fortuner ( yang notabene dipake perkotaan ) namun disayangkan klo tryta kemampuan nya menurun...

apa segmen nya mau dirubah ke suv banci perkotaan? semakin tidak berkarakter saja.. ditambahlagi ground clearence yang "cuma" 19x
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billyd1773dz wrote:
Turboman wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:Ground clearenceny drop jd 193mm........ kalah ama apansa n terios wkakakaka yg lama 220mm despite smaller tyre

Celah roda sgtu besar? Perasaan ps lebih besar lg deh

:mky_07:
Ground clearance kan ditung dari titik bagian yg terdekat ke jalan

ada kemungkinann rumah bonggol gardan AN 42ner ini lebih gede dikit dr 42ner yg skg

kalo ukur jarak bawah dek ke tanah ya pasti jauh lebih tinggi drpd dek pansah
dan memang yang paling penting penting jarak titik terendah ke tanah...... klw dek yang dimaksud floor clearence... ya errr floor clearence tinggi tp nyangkut di titik terendah ntah bonggol atw suspensi y percuma....

dri yg lama drop 220 ke 193 bedanya jauh hampir 3cm, padahal ban baru lebih besar, bwat yg pke onroad bisa berbahagia lower...............

hidung dibikin manyun tinggal nunggu data approach angle ram break over dan departure angle aja ni dibanding yg lama lebih baik mana.

sistem 4x4ny juga jadi konvensional.......... 2H 4H 4L... tidak ada lagi mode Torsen Fulltime 4x4 ala prado,fjcruise,LC dll....downgred ni... mungkin karna yg skrng di jual di ostrali juga berdampingan ama prado, fortunerny di turunin feature 4x4ny biar yg mw fitur 4x4 komplit tetep k prado.



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Sistem AWD kalo modif naek power signifikan jadi riskan om

Dulu teman pake HiLux swap 1 KD modif sampe 500 an Hp aja kalo jalan di MAP full power gak berani masuk ke mode 4 WD
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Turboman wrote:
Sistem AWD kalo modif naek power signifikan jadi riskan om

Dulu teman pake HiLux swap 1 KD modif sampe 500 an Hp aja kalo jalan di MAP full power gak berani masuk ke mode 4 WD
hoo hilux om adit....




Ya errrrr bagus lah.. fortuner just got lower, tarmac n circuit friendly ya ya... the whole point of leaving its offroad root, n more like city suv just like om wallid said
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Dunno ya uda pernah rontokin atw "gak berani" but 1000nm split ke 2axle 50:50 on locked centerdiff should be better than whole 1000nm twisting a single axle... especily on overaxle leafspring without anti axle wrap bar



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Rasanya kelewat early utk mengambil kesimpulan hanya berdasar data2 angka2........

Kalo saya sih hanya akan mengambil kesimpulan jika kita sudah test drive di medan yg sesungguhnya.

Nah unit display nya pun belum ada.......lihat scr riil pun kita semua juga belum

Kalo yg ane lihat sekilas, titik terendah si ANF ini salah 1 nya di bagian ujung bawah shock belakang, agak menjorok ke bawah, dari gbr gbr di Fb grup allnewfortuner - Thai.

Trus posisi ujung lower arm depan yg ngiket ke roda juga terlihat agak ke bawah, sedang utk bagian tengah sisi bawah mobil kayaknya cukup tinggi.

Dari gbr2 suspensi baik depan - belakang, sgt mirip sekali spt 42ner yg skg......ada kemungkinan shock-nya sama aja spt 42ner yg skg.....maybe

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Sistem Transfer case AWD / 4X4 nya HiLux dan 42ner konon punya keterbatasan dlm handle power dan torsi

Di Sigma pun om Soleh juga gak berani set tinggi2 utk tuning 42ner AWD, di KFOC ada 42ner AWD di set 250 hp kalo ga salah, sedangkan yg 4X2 VNT punya teman saya yg hybrid Turbo udah tembus 320 hp

Sedangkan Hilux Adit krn part time 4X4 lebih bebas utk set Max power

So jika masuk mode 4x4 ya kita set MAP yg powernya jangan kelewat gede aja....hehehe

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Saya sempet kasi liat gbr fortie baru ini ke anak sulung saya yg kelas 8, tanpa gambar pembandingan yg om Turbo sertakan. Dan dia menjawab:

Ini fortuner baru, pah? Yakin? Gado gado gitu?? Depan kayak Tiguan, belakang copas Tucsan, jendela samping niru mobilio, daleman nya ... itu nyuri altis orang cuman karrna demen dashboard?

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VanzMatic wrote:Saya sempet kasi liat gbr fortie baru ini ke anak sulung saya yg kelas 8, tanpa gambar pembandingan yg om Turbo sertakan. Dan dia menjawab:

Ini fortuner baru, pah? Yakin? Gado gado gitu?? Depan kayak Tiguan, belakang copas Tucsan, jendela samping niru mobilio, daleman nya ... itu nyuri altis orang cuman karrna demen dashboard?

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Wakakakakaa

Kalo mesti disain yg bener2 beda nanti harganya gak bisa segini

Ane liat kaca samping belakang nyambung spt nya trik utk save cost juga, kalo pake pelat kan mesti di cat dgn finish yg bagus.....kalo pake kaca bagian hitam urusan si supplier kaca.....lgs tempel....plok.....hemat waktu pengecatan.....rangka di balik kaca kan gak perlu finishing istimewa

Trus panel bumpernya makiin gede, pelat fender depan - belakang jadi gak gede....menghemat pelat body....bumper juga pasti PU tipis elastis

Kesan mewah interior = kulit sintetis

Mesin 1 GD dan 2 GD juga spt nya 1 basis.....bore sama...beda stroke aja

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Turboman wrote:Rasanya kelewat early utk mengambil kesimpulan hanya berdasar data2 angka2........

Kalo saya sih hanya akan mengambil kesimpulan jika kita sudah test drive di medan yg sesungguhnya.

Nah unit display nya pun belum ada.......lihat scr riil pun kita semua juga belum

Kalo yg ane lihat sekilas, titik terendah si ANF ini salah 1 nya di bagian ujung bawah shock belakang, agak menjorok ke bawah, dari gbr gbr di Fb grup allnewfortuner - Thai.

Trus posisi ujung lower arm depan yg ngiket ke roda juga terlihat agak ke bawah, sedang utk bagian tengah sisi bawah mobil kayaknya cukup tinggi.

Dari gbr2 suspensi baik depan - belakang, sgt mirip sekali spt 42ner yg skg......ada kemungkinan shock-nya sama aja spt 42ner yg skg.....maybe

AFAIK :
Sistem Transfer case AWD / 4X4 nya HiLux dan 42ner konon punya keterbatasan dlm handle power dan torsi

Di Sigma pun om Soleh juga gak berani set tinggi2 utk tuning 42ner AWD, di KFOC ada 42ner AWD di set 250 hp kalo ga salah, sedangkan yg 4X2 VNT punya teman saya yg hybrid Turbo udah tembus 320 hp

Sedangkan Hilux Adit krn part time 4X4 lebih bebas utk set Max power

So jika masuk mode 4x4 ya kita set MAP yg powernya jangan kelewat gede aja....hehehe

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hahaha.. wah sama kita ya.... hasil akhir harus setelah di coba sendiri.......... khususnya hal subjektif sngt irrelevance utk dibahas.

untuk GC pasti toyota g akan sembarang dan ngediscredit produknya sendiri ditengah rival dgn segment sama berlomba2 ngasih gc tinggi. jika dia nulis 193mm, itu seharusny fakta akhir yang memang demikian. jika obrolan ngejudge "Wheel gap" atw gc dri sekedar menerka nerka foto kemudian ada yg simpulin "bakal limbung" seperti diatas jelas itu based on asumsi yg sulit dipegang karna tidak ada fakta yg ngikat. terutama soal limbung hanya bisa terjawab setelah coba.... data teknis setting suspensi, desain link dan swaybar hanya bisa jadi clue akan seperti apa asal tdk ada x factor sbgai variable lain yg berpengaruh ke hasil akhir.

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soal offroad ability, angka GC approach angle, departure angle dan rambreak over uda jadi ukuran basic as offroad angle penentu clearence sisi2 mbl saat bermanuver bisa di compare ke mbl lain dan di pertanggung jawabkan secara ilmiah.

hasil akhir.... terus terang... y gmn skill yg bawa dan seberapa tega kolongny kena ujung bemper baret atw bemper blkng lepas....... ragu siap2 ngait....

offroad ability new fortuner compared with other? if it doesnt stand out on those off road angle...... lets hope TAM include A-Trac, rear difflock or even a KDSS to overcome the weakness... or somehow new fortuner partime only transfercase actualy using a 4:1 low range or a mighty crawlratio then thats a real deal.

the last resort............don't care. its a toyota its durable, it will always work on nastiest environment ever,it could frequently stuck but it will keep going......
toyota LC FJ40 never stand out on its GC with a pair of giant center axle, nor has powerfull engine or has a long wheel articulation,its frequently stuck, but one of the toughest SoB and will keep going at the end of the day...



gampangnya modip aja............ gc 193mm masih tinggi dibanding taft/rocky indepent hanya 165mm.. g usah dicoba jg dari visual uda tau bakal ngait crossmember tengahnya dan lower arm blkng........ dan memang kejadian... akhirnya obrak abrik ganti plat beres..., XJ shock blkng jadi titik terendah selain bonggol robah dudukany pindah keatas... selesai.............. "tonjolan bracket shock dikit dbawah axle g ngaruh bwat oprut", salah uda ngalamin ngait akar di bracket shock ini serba salah, main winch bisa bubar bracket shocknya.. akhirny di dongkrak dulu sampai clear baru geser... small but exhausting.





nah bearti good news bwat penggemar drag.... skrng bisa 4x2 wkakakakka :D
om di mesin dynony kalibrasi Koefisien of drivetrain lossnya based on apa ya?koefisie Allwheel dyno dgn 4x2 apakah dibedakan?


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Kalo liat trend SUV SUV ladder frame sekitar 1,5 tahun terakhir di Thai, trend nya mengarah ke 4X2

4X4 nya hanya ada di variant tertinggi dgn cc terbesar

MUX 4X4 hanya 1 variant yg 3000 cc - A/T

All new everest juga 1 di yg 3200 cc - 4X4 A/T

Skg ANF juga cuman 1 di 2.8 V A/T

Mungkin buat off road user2 lebih pilih pake DCab ?

Atau ini juga strategy utk mempertahankan harga jual tetap di range 1,15 - 1,59 jt Baht ?

Lalu buat hibur calon pembeli = fitur active safety electronic digeber

Kalo DCab dan Smartcab / Extracab sih komplit......juga D Cab2 skg sudah mengutamakan comfort spt NP 300 yg rear coil spring......Ranger yg di facelift, dll

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